Death. It’s not a pleasant thing, nor is it something which to look forward to with anticipation. It is something to be hated, despised, abhorred. Yet, most people, when asked the question, “What happens to you when you die?” they would quickly answer, without even pausing to consider, “I will go to heaven when I die.” Even people who marginally believe that there is a God, believe that heaven is where they will go upon their death.

When a person loses a loved one, others attempt to comfort you with words similar to these: “I am so very sorry for your loss, but, we can take comfort and be so happy for your loved one, now that he is pain free and happy in heaven.” This type of sentiment would cause you to believe that dying is actually a happy thing, for you can immediately go on to live in heaven and be happy. Assuming this is so, wouldn’t death be something that we should be looking forward to?  Some mistakenly believe that they will see God and other loved ones who have died, and some even think they will turn into angels up there. Where do these beliefs come from? Well, I am sorry to say, they certainly do not come from the Bible. This is not the teaching of Scripture. The Bible teaches quite the opposite in fact.

This is what the Bible teaches on the subject, if you’re interested:

1. Death is NOT a good thing.

God tells Adam and Eve, “Cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field; by the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, because from it you were taken; for you are dust and to dust you shall return.” Genesis 3:17-19.  Death is part of the curse that Adam brought upon mankind, when he chose to disobey God and sinned.

2. There is no thinking or using our brains when we are dead.

For people who believe they are going to heaven upon death, they imagine pearly gates, singing praises to God, hugging and laughing with loved ones, like Grandma or Great Aunt Gertrude whom they haven’t seen for years. It’s a happy reunion, and they will be looking down from heaven, upon their loved ones, watching over them: sad if their loved ones are doing horrible things that they would not approve of; or proud at their still living loved ones’ achievements. But the Bible tells us of no such thing.

The Bible, in fact, is quite clear that when a person is dead, they are dead. They won’t be singing, they won’t be worshiping God, they won’t be awake and watching from heaven.

“His breath departs, he returns to the earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.” Psalm 146:5.

“The dead do not know anything.” Ecclesiastes 9:5.

“There is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol [the grave] where you are going.” Ecclesiastes 9:10

“Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the breath will return to God who gave it.” Ecclesiastes 12:7.

This is very clear what the Bible teaches. You can’t think when you’re dead. If you’re alive up in heaven, thinking and feeling (happy), then this is obviously opposite of the teaching of Scripture, and you’re believing in something else than what the Bible teaches.

3. Death is likened to sleep.

“And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, some to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.” Daniel 12:2

“But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.“” Daniel 12:13.  Nothing is so clear as this passage, that the great prophet, Daniel, did not go to heaven when he died, but is asleep in death, resting until he is resurrected from the dead, just as we will be, at the end of the age.
“Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go that I may awaken him out of sleep”…now, Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that He was speaking of literal sleep. Then Jesus therefore said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.” John 11:11-14.

Today, most people say a person “passed away” or “went to heaven to be with Jesus.”  You never or seldom hear people say, “She fell asleep in Jesus,” although this terminology is a far more accurate, Scriptural way of speaking of death, and would definitely give people a much more clearer picture of what has happened.  Some who say, “May John rest in peace” is actually accurate.  John is resting, or sleeping, awaiting the return of Jesus.

4.  The only way out of death [sleep] is to be awakened in the resurrection.

The Bible clearly teaches that our hope, as Christians, is the resurrection from the dead, at the return of Christ Jesus.

When a person dies, their breath returns to God; their bodies return to dust; and they will be miraculously resurrected, brought back to life, on the day of our Lord Jesus’ return to the earth.

“Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep [die], but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, THEN will come about the saying that is written, “Death is swallowed up in victory. O Death, where is your victory? O Death, where is your sting?” I Corinthians 15:51-55.

This passage of Scripture is very telling. This is the resurrection of the dead, for those who are asleep in Jesus, at his return. They will be awakened, and be granted an imperishable, immortal body – never to die again. Before this resurrection, they were asleep in death. They were not living up in heaven, already ‘awake & living up there’ to be reunited with a new body, as most churches teach. Instead, they were dead. Yes, it is quite sad when we think about it, to believe they are not up in heaven partying and having a blast all this time…but they are unconscious, asleep, dead, resting, not alive. It makes the reality of death harsh. Cold. Incredibly sad.

But, I Thessalonians 4 tells us “But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep [dead], that you may not grieve, as do the rest you have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring forth [from the grave] with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word [plan of the Kingdom] of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself [Jesus] will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

We have this hope of the dead being resurrected at the return of Jesus. It does not teach that the souls which were already in heaven are coming back to reclaim their new bodies. It teaches instead, that those who were asleep in Jesus, will be brought back to life, awakened from their rest to meet Jesus, and those of us who are still alive at his coming, will then, also be changed to our new immortal bodies, and meet Jesus with them!

5. The gift of eternal life is given at the day of Christ’s return, all together on the same day.

Most people believe that when you die, you go immediately to heaven (or immediately to hell) and you are rewarded with eternal life (or eternal-burning-alive – which isn’t really death at all, is it?), to live forever ever after at either location. But, the Bible tells us in I Corinthians 15:22-23, “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. But each man in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming.”

We receive eternal life upon our resurrection (unless we are still living at the time of Jesus’ return to the earth). We will be made alive, AT HIS COMING! It does not say, we will be made alive when we get to heaven.

We will receive what was promised to us all together, on the same day… not individually, one at a time, at each person’s death. This will happen on the day of the Lord’s return. “And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, because God had foreseen something better for us, so that apart from us they should not be made complete.” Hebrews 11:39-40.

We will all get our reward of eternal life, and inherit the land, that was promised to Abraham, and all his descendants after him, on the same day at the return of Christ Jesus.
6. We will not see God until the Kingdom of God, here upon this earth.

Many falsely believe that upon death, they will enter heaven and be worshiping God all day and night. In the Bible, in the book of Job, the scripture of Job 19:25-27 tells us another story.

“And as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last He will take His stand on the earth. Even after my skin is destroyed, yet from my flesh I shall see God; whom I myself shall behold, and whom my eyes shall see and not another.”

Obviously, Job speaks of a day when God will be on this earth, and Job will see Him here, in a body, not a ‘floating fleshless soul, in the heavenly clouds.’  This Scripture is so consistent with the belief and teaching of the resurrection. We will be resurrected with an immortal body.  Just as Jesus had a physical, flesh and blood body after his resurrection from the dead [he was first!], we too, will be able to see God when we are standing on our own two feet, with a body, a thinking brain, and two eyes that see!

And God WILL someday, come down to the earth. Revelation 21 tells us the end of this grand story, or rather, just the beginning of the eternity that we shall share with our Most High God!

7. The End of the Story

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He shall dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be among them, and He shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall no longer be any death; there shall no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” Revelation 21:1-4.

This is our reward. Eternal life in the Kingdom of God here upon this earth, that will be restored and renewed, as it was at the time of the Garden of Eden, in the first days of creation! A time of righteousness and justice, when mankind will finally be able to dwell with God. God is not able to dwell with men before this day, so the ones who are choosing to believe they go to heaven to be with God after death….well, it’s just not Scriptural. They will not see God, until He comes down from heaven to dwell with mankind on the earth, when Jesus has taken care of all sin, death, and put things right and holy, so our Most Holy God can dwell with us. And until that time comes, we are to pray, “Come Lord Jesus, Come” as we look forward, not to the day when we can die and go to heaven, but to our Lord Messiah’s return to the earth and the resurrection from the dead, which will begin to set into motion the ‘end of the story’ and God’s awesome Kingdom that awaits us here upon this earth.

Our Christian HOPE is the resurrection, not heaven when you die.

In conclusion, the Bible consistently teaches us that our hope, as believers in Jesus Christ, is the resurrection of the dead and the coming Kingdom of God.  It does not teach what churches preach and most people believe ~ that our hope should be that we get to go to heaven when we die.  Jesus never once promised this.  You cannot find the phrase “You will go to heaven when you die” even once in the entire Bible!  This truth of Scripture may be a surprise or come as a shock to those of you who have believed this for your entire lives.  And why not?  Every book, movie, television show, and almost {but not every} church continues to prolong this erroneous teaching, based on just a few, VERY FEW, texts that have been misunderstood for centuries, misleading people about the truth of what happens to us when we die and what our hope is as believers.  The Bible tells quite a very different story, as we have just read.

The truth of the matter is this: we have strayed very far from what the Bible teaches and what the early Christian-Jews believed, and it is now time that we study our Bibles, which is the key to understanding the good news [gospel] that God has promised to all those who are descendants of Abraham.

So what happens to us when we die, according to the Bible?  Scripture plainly teaches that we are dead, ‘asleep’, until the day of Christ’s return, in which he will awaken us from the dead, and bring us back to life.  Our Christian hope is the resurrection.  But, that’s if you want to believe what the Bible teaches, rather than the tradition of churches and pop culture.  It’s tough to overcome such an entrenched tradition in our culture, but I choose to have a real hope that believing in Jesus offers us.  I choose to believe Scripture.  What do you choose to believe?  It’s definitely something looking into and studying what the Bible says about the subject!

58 Responses to “What happens to us when we die, according to the Bible?”

  1. on 13 Aug 2010 at 10:07 pmrobert

    Angela
    Very good article.for the most part its very biblically correct.
    The few things I dont find biblical are how you use the “those that are alive” and apply these to not include those it was spoken to.
    The ones that these very words were spoken to are part of the ones that will be alive at Jesus’ return. Now you either have to claim this happened in their lifetime or you need to find a better understanding on just how these will be alive before the return of Jesus.
    This understanding can be found in another unbiblical explanation in your article where it speaks of everyone in their own order. Christ who we know was the first of the first fruits, next the first fruits as a whole who are those who by the Old covenant received the reward from obidience to enter the Sabbath rest of God in which Jesus will sit upon Gods throne ruling over the whole world.The first fruits are the one that will be alive at the time of Jesus return.
    Then those written in Jesus’ Book of Life AKA those in Christ,AKA the great multitude.
    The last thing that is not biblical is saying that those in Christ wont go to heaven when Jesus returns which it is clearly stated they will be risen into Heaven and when the earth is renewed they will return to earth while the New heaven with the new city is coming down from God,
    Pretty much the rest is biblical

  2. on 14 Aug 2010 at 3:05 amWolfgang

    Hi,

    you mention above

    We will be resurrected with an immortal body. Just as Jesus had a physical, flesh and blood body after his resurrection from the dead [he was first!], we too, will be able to see God when we are standing on our own two feet, with a body, a thinking brain, and two eyes that see!

    Is this really what the NT Scriptures teach?
    Did Jesus have a physical, flesh and blood body after his resurrection from the dead?
    If he had been raised in such a physical body, how could he become invisible (and apparently be invisible for most of the time, except those times of the resurrection appearances)?
    Do you think that this resurrected physical body was the body he had just prior to his death, since it apparently had the wounds, etc? Since you claim that “we too” will have such resurrected physical body, do you think that our resurrected physical body will be (like) the one we have at the time of our death?

  3. on 23 Mar 2011 at 3:58 pmWolfgang

    Hi Angela & all

    would anyone have some answers to my above questions which were prompted by the above article?

  4. on 23 Mar 2011 at 5:30 pmRon S.

    Wolfgang,

    Did you ever read this KR article that Brian Keating wrote?

    http://kingdomready.org/blog/2010/07/25/natural-bodies-vs-spiritual-bodies/

  5. on 23 Mar 2011 at 9:33 pmRay

    When a Christian dies, all earthly brains are left behind. When he becomes absent from his earthly body he comes into the presence of the Lord. As a new creation he comes to know things about heaven, his eternal home where he had been seated spiritually because he believed in Jesus since he heard the word of truth and believed.
    Being clothed by the holy spirit, he’s not found naked. Having put on Christ, all things are new and the old is passed away. The things he’s read about and knew in part, begin to unfold.

    One day there will be a bodily resurrection. Those bodies which have been left in the grave to corrupt will be changed. They will be raised to newness of life in Christ again. Until then the Christian remains in Jesus the new creation by the spirit of God.

    That’s what it looks like to me.

  6. on 24 Mar 2011 at 4:11 pmWolfgang

    Ron,

    yes, I have read the article … and even re-read it now. However, it does NOT really address the questions I asked.

    It makes the point that after the resurrection man will have a spiritual body whereas man before his death has a natural body, and it also claims that both these bodies are “physical” bodies.

    For example, after the resurrection Jesus showed himself alive .. and those who saw him in such an appearance obviously saw actually his former body as the wounds in his hands and his side prove. So then, was what they saw Jesus’ “spiritual body”?

    If so, the post resurrection body would be basically from its outward looks the same as a person has immediately before or at the time when they die. Is this what you also believe?

    Furthermore, is the difference between the “natural” body and the “spiritual” body really in the “life form” which gives each body its life force (“natural” body is quickened by “soul life in the blood”,, “spiritual” body is quickened by “spirit life”)? or is a “spiritual body” indeed something entirely different from the “natural” body (cp what 1Co 15 has to say about that body which is sown and that which grows from it)??

    It seems to me rather that Jesus’ resurrected body – the “spiritual body” – is actually “spiritual” (invisible, NOT physical), as is evident from the fact that Jesus after his resurrection was indeed invisible except for a very few occassions where he showed himself in his prior body for the purpose of proof as having been raised from the dead to eternal life (cp Acts 1 … showed himself as the resurrected one for 40 days)

  7. on 24 Mar 2011 at 5:33 pmXavier

    Wolfgang

    It seems to me rather that Jesus’ resurrected body – the “spiritual body” – is actually “spiritual” (invisible, NOT physical)…

    “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a SPIRIT does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

    When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence.” Luke 24

    “So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable…it is sown a NATURAL BODY, it is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY.

    If there is a natural BODY, there is also a spiritual BODY.” 1Cor 15.42-44

    What part of BODY are you not understanding?

  8. on 24 Mar 2011 at 8:33 pmMark C.

    The word spiritual can sometimes mean non-corporeal, i.e., not physical. But that is not its only meaning. We’ve covered this before, but by way of reminder, here are some other verses where the word spiritual is used to describe people whose character or nature is of God.

    I Cor. 2:
    13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
    14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
    15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.

    1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.

    1Co 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.

    In these verses, flesh is contrasted with spirit referring to the source of the words, or of the character, not to whether or not they are physical.

  9. on 25 Mar 2011 at 7:41 amWolfgang

    Xavier,

    so according to you the “spiritual” resurrection body of Jesus still had his wounds in hands and side, that is, it was of the appearance of his previous natural body at the time he died?

    I suppose then, there will be some resurrected believers with a “spiritual body” that won’t have a head, since they were beheaded when they died?

    I would consider such ideas about a physical resurrection body to be incorrect …

    Jesus did show himself in his natural body after the resurrection during few occasions solely for the sake of being able to be identified as having been resurrected to eternal life … as Acts 1 clearly indicates. One should recognize also, that Jesus’ natural body had not decayed and not seen corruption when he was raised from the dead.

    Jesus was indeed raised with a new spiritual (and non-physical) body, invisible to the natural human eye as is shown by the Scripture records describing events after his resurrection, which indicate that Jesus was indeed in general invisible and did NOT live somewhere in some earthly habitat, such as a house, tent, or whatever else people lived in at the time in the Bible lands. Only when he “showed himself” could he be seen by others as having a body of “flesh and bones”, and this body of “flesh and bones” was identical with regards to the wounds in hands and side to his physical body which he had previously. Thus, his disciples had undeniable proof that it was indeed Jesus, and not some kind of “spirit of the dead” conjured up, etc …

  10. on 25 Mar 2011 at 7:49 amWolfgang

    Mark C.,

    while the word “spiritual” in the above examples relates to the source of certain things, this does NOT touch at all at the truth that the nature of that which is “spiritual” is still NOT PHYSICAL or NON-CORPOREAL.

    When we read of “spiritual thoughts”, the meaning is “thoughts originated by the Spirit” and yet that aspect to which “spiritual” relates (=> the SPIRIT) is not physical or corporeal. The same holds true of “spiritual words”.

    The context indicates how the word “spiritual” is to be understood in connection with such terms as “thoughts” and “words”. But one cannot take this context and apply the meaning to a different context where the word “spiritual” is related to a different word, such as “body”.

  11. on 25 Mar 2011 at 8:51 amXavier

    Wolfgang

    Jesus did show himself in his natural body after the resurrection…Jesus was indeed raised with a new spiritual (and non-physical) body, invisible to the natural human eye…

    So let me get this straight, Jesus was raised with 2 different bodies? A “natural body” and an “invisible…spiritual body”?

  12. on 25 Mar 2011 at 2:40 pmWolfgang

    Xavier,

    he was raised with a spiritual body … and he showed himself alive (having been raised from the dead to eternal life) during 40 days at a few occasions for the purpose of proof to his disciples that it was indeed him in his body with the wounds in his hands and in his side …

    Since with Jesus’ resurrection the truth of resurrection from the dead with a spiritual body was established, there is no need for anyone else to be showing themselves after being raised from the dead with a natural / physical body. The dead will be raised with a spiritual body … as 1Co 15 clearly teaches.

  13. on 25 Mar 2011 at 2:49 pmMark C.

    while the word “spiritual” in the above examples relates to the source of certain things, this does NOT touch at all at the truth that the nature of that which is “spiritual” is still NOT PHYSICAL or NON-CORPOREAL.

    You’re right. Those verses do not touch on that idea because that is not the meaning of the word in those cases. It has nothing to do with whether it’s corporeal or not.

    When we read of “spiritual thoughts”, the meaning is “thoughts originated by the Spirit” and yet that aspect to which “spiritual” relates (=> the SPIRIT) is not physical or corporeal. The same holds true of “spiritual words”.

    The context indicates how the word “spiritual” is to be understood in connection with such terms as “thoughts” and “words”. But one cannot take this context and apply the meaning to a different context where the word “spiritual” is related to a different word, such as “body”.

    But they refer to spiritual people – “he who is spiritual,” “spiritual men,” “if anyone thinks he is… spiritual.” This is obviously not talking about people who are not physical.

    You’re right, the context must define it. The meaning of the word “physical” does not automatically carry with it the idea of being non corporeal.  God and angels are “spiritual beings” who have no body, but people are not. The passage in I Cor. 15 is talking about what kind of flesh, what kind of body, the dead are raised with. The words “flesh” and “body” by definition are corporeal. Further, the parallels in verses 42-44 indicate the contrast:

    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;
    43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
    44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

    It is contrasting perishable/imperishable, dishonor/glory, weakness/power, natural/spiritual. This defines what it’s talking about. The whole idea of a “non physical, non corporeal body” would have been foreign and meaningless to Paul, or anyone writing from his Hebrew background.

  14. on 25 Mar 2011 at 4:06 pmXavier

    Wolfgang

    …there is no need for anyone else to be showing themselves after being raised from the dead with a natural / physical body. The dead will be raised with a spiritual body … as 1Co 15 clearly teaches.

    So what type of “body” [if any] does Jesus currently have? Is this the same type of “body” Christians will have?

  15. on 26 Mar 2011 at 10:35 amWolfgang

    Xavier,

    So what type of “body” [if any] does Jesus currently have? Is this the same type of “body” Christians will have?

    having been resurrected from the dead to eternal life, he has “a spiritual body” … according to 1Co 15, those who are resurrected to life eternal have a spiritual body. Thus, believers in Christ also are changed from “a natural body” to “a spiritual body” to have life eternal and inherit the kingdom of God (since man cannot enter and inherit the kingdom in a natural physical body.

  16. on 26 Mar 2011 at 1:09 pmRon S.

    Wolfgang,

    So what proof is there that the spirtual body is not also a phyisical one?

    Seems to me that Jesus went out of his way to show his spiritual body was phyiscal still by having people touch him and by eating in front of everyone.

    Also when we think spirtual it doesn’t necessarily mean fully “immaterial”. Sudden appearances inside locked rooms from out of no where does not require Jesus to lack physicality. Other possibilities could include dimensional doorways/travel or teleportation. Sure that sounds like science fiction, but to God it sure wouldn’t be. :)

  17. on 26 Mar 2011 at 4:10 pmXavier

    Ron S.

    Other possibilities could include dimensional doorways/travel or teleportation. Sure that sounds like science fiction, but to God it sure wouldn’t be.

    Could be…but let’s not discount the miraculous. Simply put, God can effect all kinds of “impossible feats” when he empowers people. Take for instance the feats of Moses, Samson, and to some extent the “rapture”[?] of Enoch & Elijah. As Matthew puts it, people were “were filled with awe and praised God for giving such authority to humans.” [Mat 9.8]

    When it comes to Jesus’ “teleportation”, at times seeming “invisibility”, this was not limited to his post-resurrection appearances:

    “They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.” Luke 4.29-30

    “At that point they picked up stones to throw at him. But Jesus was hidden from them and left the Temple… After saying these things, Jesus went away and was hidden from them.” Jn 8.59; 12.36

    ESV Study Bible explains the Lukan account thus…

    Luke does not explain how Jesus did this, but, since an entire mob was arrayed against him, some miraculous deliverance by the power of the Holy Spirit would seem to be the case.

  18. on 09 Jan 2013 at 7:39 pmcwilson

    One thought on this might be that Jesus was resurrected by the Father. Much like Lazarus and others were brought back to life by Christ and retained their original bodies, Jesus retained his until his departure in the clouds. He knew there would be doubters and that he would need to prove to them that he was the Living Christ. His pierced hands and side demonstrated that He was the true Messiah. Sometime after, He was taken into the clouds. His body may have transformed into its immortal form at this moment. I heard this explanation and thought it was a logical explanation.

  19. on 09 Jan 2013 at 7:40 pmcwilson

    One thought on this might be that Jesus was resurrected by the Father. Much like Lazarus and others were brought back to life by Christ and retained their original bodies, Jesus retained his until his departure in the clouds. He knew there would be doubters and that he would need to prove to them that he was the Living Christ. His pierced hands and side demonstrated that He was the true Messiah. Sometime after, He was taken into the clouds. His body may have transformed into its immortal form at this moment. I heard this explanation and thought it was a logical explanation. What do you think?

  20. on 17 Jan 2013 at 10:05 pmLaurie

    After reading through these comments and answers a thought crossed my mind about Jesus Christ being seated at the right hand of the Father. In Ephesians starting at chapter 1 verse 15 through to chapter 2 verse 6. The thought is since we are now born again spiritually by grace through faith, and not of ourselves this being a gift from God, and verse 6 in chapter 2 which reads…,
    And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus.
    Since we are already their spiritually with Christ, it would seem to me that when we died as a saved believer, our mortal bodies would be dead and I agree we would know nothing ( brain dead). I liken death in this way..When I go to bed to sleep I have never recalled when I actually fell asleep. In fact all I can remember is waking up. So if I slept for a million years I would not know. In death there is no time. At least its possible their is no time. Since I am not dead yet! I don’t know for certain, but it seems plausible.
    In closing I would like to add a final thought. Is it possible that when Christ returns at the second coming that our (spiritual) spirit which is according to the Bible is seated at the right hand of the Father in Christ along side the Father, will be reunited with our new bodies, which will be an imperishable and immortal body according to the Bible.
    That would make sense to me because the Life as Christians is a reflection of another biblical passage that in Him We live and move and have our being Acts chapter 17 verses 28 to 31…..We are His off spring ( spiritually speaking) as a born again believer….
    The Father speaking of Jesus also states….He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him ( Jesus ) from the dead. where He received his new spiritual body as He was taken up in the cloud and the spirit of God the Father was given Him as He sat down in His rightful place…The right hand of the Father in which he makes intercession for us night and day until He returns to reunite our born again spirit, which belongs to him through the grace and mercy given us upon our new spiritual birth.
    A friend I hadn’t seen in a while said to me. ( I thought you were dead ) My answer to him was I am dead, ” I’m dead in Christ!”

  21. on 01 Apr 2013 at 12:49 amBeth

    well, I just read all the article and comments. I’m happy to know and see what others think. I am on searching for the interpretation of the bible prophecy and I’m just wondering what people believe about after dead and type “what happened after we die”. I read all But I agree what Laurie said. When we die, we don’t know anything, we are dead(brain dead) or physically a sleep or dead. but we have a soul that live after life. You can see it in the Gospel of Luke, when Jesus tell a story of the rich man and the poor Lazarus. When they die, their soul go to two different place, Heaven(Abraham bosom) or Hell(torment place or prison. And Hell is not the lake of fire, the great burning sulfur which God will cast all evils in to everlasting suffer. So, there is life after dead. And you can see when Jesus said to the right-hand man who is crucified with him on the cross. He said, today you will be with me in paradise(heaven). So, my friend there is life after dead. Moreover, when Jesus is about to die, he said to his father, God I hand my soul over to your hand. So what happened during his body was in the tomb for three days?,well, as he said, he was in heaven or paradise, and after three days, he went back to his body and turned it into immortal and go again to heaven as priest to sacrifice his blood for the world and all our sin like the high priest did in the long ago. Even Marry tried to hug him but he detained her for he did not yet go to heaven with immortal body . So my friend, as the same way, when we died, we have two places to go, Heaven or Hell. If you are a believer, then you go to paradise, if you’re not, then to the prison(Hell) until the last day according to the revelation. Paul said when we died, we are judge weather going to heaven or hell. So my friend the bible verses from the article are talking about the physical body. Not spiritual. when Jesus come to take all believer in a blink of eye(Rapture) our body will be save from mortality to immortality. Just as Jesus resurrected from the dead, we will be too my friends.

  22. on 01 Apr 2013 at 10:05 pmDoubting Thomas

    Hi Beth,
    Welcome to K.R.!!! I agree with most of what you said, but I don’t believe in a literal hell of eternal torment… :)

  23. on 02 Apr 2013 at 2:25 pmSean

    Beth,

    I wonder how you would interpret this text in which Jesus states right after his resurrection that he did not ascend to heaven:

    Jn. 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”

  24. on 02 Apr 2013 at 5:49 pmSheryl

    Hi Beth, Thank you for your very loving comments. I just wanted to point out that I believe the story of Lazarus that you mentioned was a parable just like the many parables that Jesus taught. These lessons are to make a point and I don’t believe they are necessarily to be taken literally…like the parable of the of the talents. Surely Jesus wasn’t talking about an actual landowner who gave his servant rule over 10 cities, etc. There is a lesson for “those who have ears to hear.” Therefore I believe there is a lesson in the Lazarus parable. To me the lesson is that we had better live our life with thoughts of the eternal consequences awaiting us. …I also don’t believe in eternal torture…but rather the finality of receiving the second death instead of life in the age to come.

  25. on 02 Apr 2013 at 9:34 pmXavier

    Where do you go after death?

    Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol/the grave where you are going. Eccl 9.10

    Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son. John5.28

  26. on 03 Apr 2013 at 11:43 amJas

    “Sometime after, He was taken into the clouds. His body may have transformed into its immortal form at this moment. I heard this explanation and thought it was a logical explanation. What do you think?”

    cwilson
    I would have a hard time believing that because in Rev 5 the vision is of a still mortally wounded Jesus still being indwelled by The Holy Spirit. I think understanding death is temporary as sleep is very important in understanding all that die will be raised for judgement at the end. The multitude will not even know how long they were dead so to them it will be like going to heaven for judgement will come directly after death.

  27. on 04 Apr 2013 at 11:42 pmSheryl

    Jas,

    The way I understand it: How could Jesus have a “mortal body” after walking out of his tomb? I have to believe that he was raised immortal immediately and not some time after he “woke up.” I just can’t envision him not having his glorified immortal body (flesh and bones — not blood) as he met people who should have recognized him and materialized in closed rooms.

  28. on 05 Apr 2013 at 9:21 amJas

    Sheryl
    Jesus was not the only person to walk out of their tomb after being dead after 3 days. Elijah.Elisha,the disciples and even Paul raised the dead by the Power of the Holy Spirit. Did all these receive a immortal body or were they kept alive by The Holy Spirit while their mortal body was renewed of healed .

  29. on 05 Apr 2013 at 9:32 amJas

    “I just can’t envision him not having his glorified immortal body (flesh and bones — not blood) as he met people who should have recognized him and materialized in closed rooms.”

    Sheryl
    I have heard many people claim he materialized and dematerialized during the 40 days but the accounts only says he appeared. Seeing is a perception. Have you ever been driving somewhere and not remember passing something or not remember the drive at all. Do you not think that God can effect your perception .

  30. on 05 Apr 2013 at 1:15 pmXavier

    An Immortal Longing:

    The assumption that John dispenses with [a literal] future resurrection [of the dead] would mean that he has significantly altered the view of ‘resurrection’ found elsewhere in the documents of the NT or in the Judaism of the period [where] the dead are raised, not ‘spiritually’ or metaphorically, but bodily…the data of the Gospel [of John] do not bear out the assumption that John has collapsed the future resurrection into a present quality of life, even a divinely given life…Language of being raised up remains resolutely attached to the future, to the ‘last day’ [thus bringing] to fruition what the Father offers through the Son, the gift of life.”

    http://inthenameofwhowhat.blogspot.com/2009/09/immortal-longing-by-carlos-xavier.html

  31. on 17 Dec 2013 at 4:39 amGrace

    if we do not go to heaven immediately on death, why did Jesus say to the thief that was converted on the cross that he would be with him in paradise that same day?

  32. on 17 Dec 2013 at 9:22 amJas

    Grace
    Jesus told him he would be with him but did not say it would be that day. Matter is the thief was still alive at the close of that day .Jesus was just promising him that on that day not creating a timeline.

  33. on 17 Dec 2013 at 12:07 pmSean

    Grace, here is an answer from Mark C:

    Another commonly used “proof-text” is Luke 23:42-43, where Jesus spoke to the thief on the cross. One of the thieves railed on Jesus, but the other said, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.” Jesus replied to him, “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” How could this be possible? According to the Bible, paradise is not in “heaven” but a place on earth. It will be in the restored garden of Eden (Revelation 2:7). Jesus made this promise in response to the request concerning his Kingdom, which is in the future. Besides, even if it meant heaven, Jesus himself wasn’t going to be there that same day. He was to be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. Even the day after he was resurrected, he had not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17).

    A simple solution to this problem is found in the punctuation. Since there was no punctuation in the original manuscripts, the placing of a comma is subject to the interpretation of the translator. The adjective translated “today” frequently follows the verb it modifies, and is often used to show great solemnity. Phrases such as “I say unto you today” or “I command you this day” are not uncommon. Some examples include Deuteronomy 6:6; 8:11; 10:13; 11:8,27,32; 13:18; 19:9; 27:4; 30:19. Paul uses a similar expression in Acts 20:26 (“Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.”) The verse in Luke can then be punctuated as, “Verily I say unto you today, thou shalt be with me in paradise.” The passage then makes sense and does not contradict any other Scripture. The thief said, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom” (which will be in the future) and Jesus assured him that he would be in paradise in that future Kingdom.

    for more on this, click here

  34. on 25 Dec 2013 at 5:43 pmXavier

    Grace

    In simplest terms, if the thief was really with Jesus in Paradise on the same day, then Jesus could not have been in the grave for 3 days.

    Furthermore, the fact that Jesus says after he is raised from the dead “stop clinging to me because I have not yet gone to the Father” is proof he had not been to Paradise yet.

  35. on 25 Dec 2013 at 7:44 pmJas

    Xavier
    You do realize the word translated paradise acually means beautiful garden. The current Heaven is never called paradise ,but on earth where Adam was formed was called paradise and Rev 22 describes also paradise that also has Trees growing . This is the only paradise the thief had been promised .

  36. on 04 Jan 2014 at 10:02 amRay

    If we want to know what happens to us when we die, it seems to me that we should look unto Jesus, the author of our faith, for as soon as he died on the cross, didn’t he go unto the Father which is in heaven?

  37. on 04 Jan 2014 at 10:07 amRay

    Do you suppose heaven is like a beautiful garden?

  38. on 05 Jan 2014 at 5:39 pmtimothy

    Happy New Year Ray,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzzqhaLl_8w

  39. on 06 Jan 2014 at 9:19 amRay

    Yes, Jesus went his way to him who sent him. (John 16:5) I believe this was at the very time of the death of his physical body on the cross.

    John 16:16
    A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

    Because Jesus died on the cross according to the Father’s will, they did not see him for a little while. And because of his resurrection, which was a little while after his death on the cross, they saw him again. This happened because he went unto the Father when he died on the cross, and the Father raised him up from the grave.

  40. on 06 Jan 2014 at 9:38 amRay

    I suppose heaven does have it’s roses and dew, and even greater things.

  41. on 06 Jan 2014 at 5:59 pmRay

    Dare I suppose that those who have died prior to Christ coming into this world, (in the flesh) were either drawn to some kind of light of heaven, or were taken into some dark place called hell, depending on what voice they listened to while living on this earth, as well as how they lived, whether it was the voice of reason which came from the wisdom of God, or not?

    Then maybe the time comes when hell gives up her dead, for some day of judgment or something.

  42. on 06 Jan 2014 at 6:21 pmRay

    Dare I hold on to the thinking in my above post, and pray God give me a Berean spirit? (Acts 17:11)

  43. on 09 Jan 2014 at 4:13 amAllen

    I have been trying to post a few PDFs that I think people would enjoy on the these topics, but so far they have not appeared. Could some one steer me in the right direction?

  44. on 10 Jan 2014 at 2:49 amSheryl

    But what about Acts 2:29-37 when Peter “confidently” says David died and was buried and his tomb is still there, and later on that even though David did not ascend into Heaven, David was able to witness a vision of future glory. Also consider Job 14:10-13…once a person is dead they cannot rise nor be awakened (until the appointed time.) I am comforted to know that the next moment of consciousness after I die is to awaken to the call of my Lord.

  45. on 10 Jan 2014 at 9:35 amRay

    I believe the Bible speaks of body and soul as well as spirit, and I’ve heard that a part of the soul is immortal. I suppose that would also mean that a part of it is not.

    I’m going to suppose that part of a man’s soul belongs to this world while a part of it will go to heaven to be judged by God.

    The Bible says that the soul that sinneth, it shall die, (EZE 18:20) and yet we believe that a soul may be saved.

    I’m going to hold on to this line of thinking and see what happens as time goes on.

    A part of soul has to die while a part of it has to live.

    I believe Jesus died, even though he was with the Father in heaven between the time of his death on the cross, and his resurrection.

    When the Bible speaks of the fact that David did not ascend into heaven, I’m not so sure that I should take that as meaning that no part of David whatsoever, ever came into the Lord’s presence when he died.

    I take Acts 2:34 as meaning the entire man, the context being the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

  46. on 11 Jan 2014 at 2:58 amSheryl

    I understand that “soul” and “person” are interchangeable. The Hebrew word in Eze 18:20 is used for soul, person or people. The rest of that verse talks about how the sinner himself is responsible for his sin and will suffer the consequences…not his son nor his father.

    A soul is a person, or a personality. A soul cannot exist without a body and vice versa. So body and soul makes a person. Having said that, the spirit is what gives a person/soul life and energy. When the body/soul dies, that energy source returns to God…but the spirit is not conscious. Psalm 146:4 says “His spirit goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, In that day have his thoughts perished.” (YLT) When the person dies he neither thinks, nor plan, nor worries. I believe the bible is very clear that the only person to ascend to heaven is Jesus, after receiving his resurrected body. I can agree that the spirit of David returned to the father, but David himself was not conscious of being in God’s presence. Or the words of Job would not be true.

    I don’t understand at all how Jesus can be alive in Heaven and dead on the cross. His death would be meaningless because he didn’t really die. You can’t be alive and dead at the same time. It would also make Jesus’ resurrection a bit of a farce. He wouldn’t have been raised from the dead…he would have been changing forms. I just don’t see any basis for this in the bible. I humbly welcome any clarification if I am in error.

  47. on 11 Jan 2014 at 5:04 amRay

    In the Spirit we are alive. In the Spirit we survive. In the Spirit we can move. In the Spirit we can groove.

  48. on 11 Jan 2014 at 7:18 amRay

    Here’s a use of the word “soul” I found interesting:

    Lev 26:11
    And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

    Context here is the blessings of obedience at that time.

    And here’s the next verse:

    And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

    So how did God walk among his people? I say, in the Spirit. In the Spirit of his Word he gave them spiritual blessings.

    Didn’t Jesus walk among them in the Spirit? I trust that he did. (John 1:10)

    As I look at the word “soul” in my dictionary, I see lots of ways the word is used.

  49. on 11 Jan 2014 at 7:48 amRay

    Here’s an interesting question to consider:

    Q. Is there any way that God could have walked this earth as a man?

    To answer this question I think it would be good to refer to Matt 1:1- John 21:25.

  50. on 11 Jan 2014 at 6:15 pmSheryl

    Hi Ray, I looked up the Hebrew word napsi which is rendered “soul” in the verse mentioned. It seems to be synonymous with “my life.” IE, God himself will dwell or tabernacle with his people, which he did at that time. I’m just finishing up reading Leviticus in my personal bible reading and it makes me pause in awe to think that God actually was physically present with his people.

    Yes, of course God walked among people during OT times, beginning in the Garden of Eden. We don’t know for sure what form God took except when specifically noted, such as when in the representational form of an angel speaking with Abraham, or the fiery cloud dwelling in the tabernacle in Leviticus. But those examples of God walking among his people, different manifestations at different times, were not God himself, but his spirit indwelling an obedient angel, etc. They were vessels for God to pour his spirit.

    Jesus was completely indwelt by God’s spirit, but that doesn’t mean that he was God incarnate as a man. In Deut 18:15 God says he will raise up a prophet like you (Moses) and this is reiterated in Acts 3:22. A prophet like Moses, who was God to Pharaoh, is necessarily a man. God did not say he would come himself as a man, but that he would raise up a man.

  51. on 11 Jan 2014 at 11:44 pmRay

    I think I should allow for a lot of creativity when people describe Jesus, as long as it honors him and God. I don’t think I should be offended if someone calls him God incarnate.

    I just took a short trip back in time, visiting some sites on some old motorcycles, early superbikes. I read an old bike review.

    I suppose I could say, you wouldn’t believe how the writer described the early 900 Kaw. It really took me back to when I rode one. But the way it was described by the writer!….. Amazing.

  52. on 12 Jan 2014 at 11:21 amJas

    Ray
    I agree calling Jesus God incarnate should not offend but should promote inquiry into what it means. Incarnation requires a human or animal body for the spirit being to indwell. Since if Jesus was God incarnate before his baptism receiving the Holy Spirit from God at his baptism would absolutely make no sense since the account has a giver,a gift and a receiver . We should also remember the word used for God is used very loosely in NT as well in OT

  53. on 12 Jan 2014 at 6:19 pmRay

    I suppose Jesus is better known as God incarnate after his baptism of the holy Spirit, for it was after his baptism that men began to take note of how he walked, as a man directed and moved by God himself, as if the Father himself walked the earth.

  54. on 12 Jan 2014 at 7:11 pmJas

    Ray
    Many men in biblical history walked the very same walk after God chose them . I am sure those that witnessed them wondered if it was God in the flesh. The difference between them and Jesus is Jesus was perfect in the Torah before and after he was chosen allowing him to be the Lamb of God to perfect the commanded sacrifice for Adam’s sin

  55. on 13 Jan 2014 at 9:09 amRay

    When I read John the baptist saying something, sometimes I think it’s Jesus speaking. They even asked him if he was the Christ.

  56. on 13 Jan 2014 at 9:45 amJas

    Ray
    Yes John was a very righteous man but he was filled with Holy Spirit from birth making him a Christ but not the Christ. John was to witness the anointing of the Christ. John very well could have been sinless but if it was the result of a Holy Spirit which kept him not his own obedience

  57. on 13 Jan 2014 at 10:04 pmRay

    The Bible speaks of false Christs, and when I first read that I didn’t know what to make of it. (Mat 24:24, MK13:22) Later on I decided that Jesus must have been speaking of false anointed ones, since I’ve heard that that’s what Christ means, anointed one.

    The Bible says that all men have fallen short, and that all have sinned.

    The only sinless man is Jesus.

  58. on 13 Jan 2014 at 10:27 pmJas

    Ray
    Christ means the anointed which many many before him were and also means the anointer. Yes Jesus was the only sinless man which means he was perfect in Torah Commandments before and after he was anointed with ,by The Holy Spirit but the before is what accounted him the Lamb of God , the after was with help of the indwelling Spirit just as John was kept so he could be ritually clean to baptize with water for remmision of sin which replaced the animal sacrifice at and after pentecost

  

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