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By Charles Hunting 

This article was originally published in the August 2000 issue of Focus on the Kingdom.

The writer of Hebrews 13:9 pursues our theme about the replacement of the Mosaic system by the New Covenant introduced by Jesus. He asserts: “It is good that we should gain inner strength from the grace of God and not from rules about food, which have never benefited those who observed them.” Old patterns of conduct die hard. Peter had to be reprimanded publicly for slipping back into out-of-date ways of thinking. Paul’s admonition in Galatians 2:14 is clear: “But when I saw that their conduct did not square with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of the whole congregation, ‘If you, a Jew born and bred, live like a Gentile, how can you insist that Gentiles must live like Jews?’” Peter, the Jew, had rightly learned and lived a different life as a Christian, but retrogressed into a Mosaic mode. This is still the habit of some today. It is a fundamental misreading of the New Testament to re-erect the barrier that once separated Jew and Gentile. “Living like a Jew,” when this means living under the temporary Mosaic regulations, is an affront to biblical Christianity.

The danger of muddling two Covenants is that we make the Messianic faith of Jesus unattractive or impracticable to the potential convert (just as ascribing belief in the Trinity to Jesus provokes unwarranted hostility from Jews and Muslims). Mosaic food laws would cause unnecessary hardship in many parts of the world. Should matters of food exclude Gentiles from having a right relationship with God who had legislated specifically for the nation of Israel under the Law?

Jesus chipped away at the Temple authority and the Mosaic system in Matthew 12:6 when he said, “There is something greater than the temple here.” Greater than the Temple? This was his answer to the Pharisees when they criticized the disciples for plucking corn on Israel’s official Sabbath. Jesus argued from the Old Testament: “Have you not read what David did when his men were hungry? He went to the house of God and ate the sacred bread, though neither he nor his men had a right to eat it, only the priests. Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and they are not held guilty? If you had known what this text means, ‘It is mercy I require, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” Attention is thus called to the fact that even under the Law there was a group who were not subject to the restraints of Sabbath-keeping, the fourth commandment. Jesus further observed that the law of circumcision actually took precedence over the Sabbath, if the eighth day of the boy’s life fell on the Sabbath day. With more than a hint of his revolutionary intention Jesus pointed out that even under the Old Testament regime the priests were not bound by the national Sabbath law. They could work in the Temple and remain innocent. How much more, then, are the royal New Testament priests, the Christians (I Pet. 2:9), exempt from Sabbath observance? This new priesthood works at promoting and maintaining the new Temple, the body of Christ.

It is quite clear that Jesus intended to show that Sabbath laws were superseded in cases where emergency human needs called for an act of mercy. And by his assertion that he was “Lord of the Sabbath” a new view of the whole legal system enters the picture. It is Jesus, not Moses, who is now the interpreter of law. Jesus noted that a troubled cow in a ditch on the Sabbath is worthy of special care. How much more a man whose family is starving in Saudi Arabia because his national laws have decreed Friday as the official day of rest and Saturday as a day of work? Could the dietary economy of the Arctic North be so radicalized that Christians there could avoid the consumption of all “unclean” whales and seals?

National Israel was given the seventh-day Sabbath as part of a unique covenant with their Creator. The Sabbath was never part of the Abrahamic Covenant (Deut. 5:3). Observance of the Sabbath in ancient Israel required no faith on the part of its citizens. As a matter of fact, it would have been awkward not to keep a seventh-day Sabbath as a day of rest. Question: What of the people today, in lands far away from Israel, whose national laws are such that a job, schooling for children and prohibitive religious customs would insure disaster if believers were required to keep the Laws of Moses and the Mosaic Sabbath? It would be a huge sacrifice. Jesus said in reference to the Sabbath, “It is mercy I require, not sacrifice” (Matt. 12:7).

The Sabbath issue was clarified by the Apostle Peter at a conference convened for the purpose of deciding what was required of the Gentile converts. The debate arose when some insisted that “those Gentiles must be circumcised and told to keep the law of Moses.” Peter’s response in brief was that God had chosen him to announce that “the Gentiles were to hear and believe the message of the gospel…and God made no difference between them and us. He purified their hearts by faith.” Then he asked the august council, “Why do you now try God’s patience by laying on the shoulders of these converts a yoke which neither we nor our forefathers were able to bear? For our belief is that we are saved in the same way as they are: by the grace of our Lord” (Acts 15:5-11). It hardly has to be said that Peter means that the salvation process cannot be facilitated by “keeping the laws of Moses.”

All that needed to be said about the new Christian “take” on the legal system was not said by Jesus while he was with the disciples on earth. It was left to the first-century Apostles to develop the Messiah’s instructions and apply them. No true Apostles (despite a temporary lapse by Peter) wandered outside the ongoing guidelines set by the risen Jesus and transmitted by the spirit. Somewhat ironically, it was left to the Apostle Paul, by training a premier legalist, to grant the greatest understanding for the change from the Mosaic system, as well as the reason for new policy. Whole sections of the book of Galatians are devoted to this theme. The lesson of freedom from Mosaic restraints was learned slowly and painfully. So it is today.

Paul spoke to the Gentile world about the now outdated separation between Jew and Gentile. He tried to persuade those opponents who because of Jewish influence wanted to cling to remnants of the Mosaic system: “You [Gentiles] were at one time separate from Christ, excluded from the community of Israel, strangers to God’s covenants and the promises that go with them. Yours was a world without hope and without God. Once far off, now you are in union with Christ…For he himself is our peace. Gentiles and Jews, he has made one, and has broken down the barrier which separated them.” How was this wonderful situation achieved? “For he annulled the law with its rules and regulations, so as to create out of the two a single community in himself, thereby making peace…for through him [Jesus, not Moses or the Law] we both alike have access to the Father in the one spirit” (Eph. 2:12-18). And the spirit was the spirit received in the reception of Jesus’ Gospel of the Kingdom (Gal. 3:2), just as Jesus had described the reception of the seed of the Gospel of the Kingdom as the indispensable spark of immortality (Matt. 13:19; Luke 8:11, 12).

Could there have been any clearer statement of the fundamental change in the Law than the one given by this brilliant, zealous ex-Mosaic adherent?

Paul battled continuously with the problem which continued to trouble many of the church congregations. To the Galatians he said, “You stupid Galatians!…You before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly displayed on the cross! Answer me one question: did you receive the Spirit by keeping the law or by believing the gospel message?…Look at Abraham; he put his faith in God and that faith was counted to him as righteousness…On the other hand those who rely on obedience to the Law are under a curse” (Gal. 3:1ff).

Paul’s whole premise in the book of Galatians was that the legalists were preaching a false gospel — not the one preached by Christ. Paul summed up in the clearest terms his argument for the change in the Law: “The power we have comes from God; it is He who has empowered us as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but spiritual; for the letter condemns to death but the spirit gives life. The ministry that brought death, and that was in written form on stone was written with such glory…even though the glory…was soon to fade…Indeed, the glory that once was is no glory at all; it is outshone by a still greater glory…It is not for us to do as Moses did; he put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at the end of what was fading away. In any event their minds had become closed, for that same veil is there to this very day when the lesson is read from the Old Covenant and it is never lifted, because only in Christ is it taken away. Indeed to this very day, every time the Law of Moses is read, a veil lies over the mind of the hearer. But as the Scripture says, ‘Whenever he turns to the Lord the veil is removed’” (2 Cor. 3:5 ff). The reality of what Jesus taught as minister of the New Covenant is obscured when we are wedded to the Mosaic system. Even a “little leaven leavens the whole lump,” according to Paul (Gal. 5:9).

Paul’s occasional concessions to the Mosaic pattern were for expediency only, so that he might not cause offense to those who considered themselves under the Law. And there can be no doubt about which Law was under consideration. Paul’s words should not be dissolved with the claim that he was talking only about being or not being under the penalty of the law. This argument is a specious attempt to avoid the Apostle’s radical teaching. Paul confesses: “To the Jews I behaved like a Jew, to win Jews; that is, to those under the Law I behaved as if under the Law…though not myself being subject to the Law; not myself outside God’s Law, but subject to the Law of Christ” (I Cor 9:20, 21). When Paul wrote to Timothy he made it perfectly clear that the Law of Moses was designed for the law-breakers, and in Galatians 3 the now obsolete Law was a provisional schoolmaster to bring people to Christ and the greater Law of Christ. That Christian Law amounted to love toward God and love toward neighbor. “Bear one another’s burdens and so fulfill the Law of Christ” (Gal. 6:2). How does one ritualize bearing one another’s burdens? How do you ritualize love or make rules for love? The Mosaic system, allowing for “just wars,” even “holy war,” aggressive and defensive, an eye for an eye, did not provide that answer. That answer could come only through Jesus and a change of heart through the spirit of the Gospel of the Kingdom. “Would that they may always be of a mind to fear me…” (Deut. 5:29). But as a nation they never did achieve that mind to obey.

A Christian should look for ways to serve with acts of kindness. In practical terms this attitude surpasses the sentiment of the famous musical: “God made man to serve his neighbor but with a little bit of luck he won’t be home.” “Pure religion and undefiled is to visit the widow and orphan in distress” (James 1:27) and to make sure they are home!

The change from the Old to the New Testament Scriptures regarding circumcision clearly associates the radical change in the Law with the change in the priesthood. Hebrews 7:11-12: “Now if perfection had been obtainable through the Levitical priesthood (on the basis of which the people were given the Law), there would be no need for another kind of priest to arise, described as being in the order of Melchizedek…but a change in the priesthood must mean a change in the Law.” Physical circumcision was one of Israel’s most deeply embedded laws. The Jews were identified as “the Circumcision.” Circumcision was the very sign of the covenant relationship between God and Abraham. The physical work of circumcision took precedence over the law of the Sabbath. Yet the physical form, not the spiritual principle, of circumcision was abandoned. The spiritual equivalent — circumcision of the heart — remained. Circumcision was “spiritualized,” and so was Law of the Sabbath(s). There is no justification for reintroducing either requirement. Christians are now known as “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16) as distinct from the Israel of the flesh (see I Cor 10:18, KJV). We are “the true Circumcision” (Phil. 3:3). The whole New Covenant system is a transposition into a new and brilliant key. Why destroy this new melody by mixing it with the outmoded melodies of Moses? It is true that the sacrificial system was not simply removed. It was replaced by a new system. Hebrews calls for a different type of sacrifice, another change in the Law, not an abolition. “Through Him [the new Temple] let us continually offer a sacrifice of praise to God…And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased” (Heb. 13:15, 16). Would anyone insist that this must be accompanied by the physical killing of a turtledove?

Paul made it clear to the Galatian church “that God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under Law, to buy freedom for those who were under the Law, that we might attain the status of sons” (Gal. 4:4-5). Then he went on to chide them: “How can you turn back to those feeble and bankrupt elemental spirits? Why do you propose to enter their service all over again? You keep special days and months and seasons and years” (vv. 9-10). But Paul is not finished with his point. Further interaction with this brush with the Mosaic system is needed. “Tell me now, you that are so anxious to be under Law, will you not listen to what the Law says?…Sinai [where the law, including the Ten Commandments, was given as the basis of the Covenant] represents the Jerusalem of today, for she and her children are in slavery” (vv. 21-25). Slavery is the word for the Old Covenant in stark contrast to the Truth of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as Jesus preached it, which enables us to be free (John 8:32). Knowing the Truth, the Gospel as Jesus preached it, is the key to freedom.

The writer of Hebrews likewise sees the limitations of the old Mosaic system given at Sinai: “It is not to the tangible, blazing fire of Sinai that you have come, with its darkness, gloom, and whirlwind…No, you have come to Mt. Zion, the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem [the Jerusalem of the future]…and to Jesus the mediator of a New Covenant…” (Heb. 12:18-24). When one has been steeped in the code given to Moses for the nation of Israel, it is most difficult not to want to climb that ladder as a measurable reminder of the success of our own works.

Paul denied that one has a right to the title Jew, if one’s status is merely physical. “The real Jew is one who is inwardly a Jew, and his circumcision is of the heart, spiritual not literal” (Rom. 2:29). He tells the church at Colosse: “For you were buried with him in baptism, and in that baptism you were also raised to life with him through your faith in the active power of God…And although you were dead because of your sins…He has brought you to life with Christ…He has canceled the bond…against us with its legal demands [not “legal penalties”], He has set it aside, nailing it to the cross…Allow no one, therefore, to take you to task about what you eat or drink, or over the observance of festival, new moons, or Sabbath. These are no more than a shadow of what was to come; the reality is Christ’s” (Col. 2:12-17). For Paul all three sorts of observance stand or fall together. If one insists on keeping the weekly Sabbath, then Holy Days and the New Moons are equally binding. For Paul the whole system is one — “a shadow.” It would be arbitrary to keep one or two forms of observance and not the third.

The Apostles were merely carrying on the work that Jesus had initiated, as he began to build a whole new community around himself — a Messianic community charged with the duty of taking the great prophetic message of hope and freedom for all, news of the coming Kingdom on earth. “Come to me, all who are weary and whose load is heavy; I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me [learn my Gospel of the Kingdom and the Law of Christ] and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy to wear, my load is light” (Matt. 11:29-30).

This could never be said of the code of Moses. Taking the Good News of the Gospel of the Kingdom to the rest of the world was not governed by the dicta of Sinai. Yet some to this day, all in good conscience, still want to insist that the Sabbath, the Holy Days, the New Moons, the food laws are beautiful practices which must be maintained by all. This code of Moses, brilliant in its proper time for the nation of Israel, would be an intolerable burden incompatible with the light burden promised by Christ. Could the majority celebrate a rest day every New Moon?

We should marvel at the great mercy God provided through His Son when He authorized the Gospel hope of the Kingdom of God for the whole world. Those who might be concerned that life without Sinai would be a free-for-all, and that we would now be at liberty to kill, commit adultery, steal, covet and neglect our parents, should be reassured by the Law of Christ. It seems obvious that the law of love toward neighbor would preclude any such behavior. So Jesus said in his new instruction, the Sermon on the Mount.

Those who would feel threatened if New Covenant Christians are freed from the obligation of the keeping of a seventh day, sunset to sunset, should find Hebrews 4:4ff illuminating: “Scripture somewhere says of the seventh day: ‘God rested from all his work on the seventh day’ [note that God, not the Messiah, was the active executive of the creation] and in the passage above we read: ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ This implies that there are some indeed who are to enter that rest, and that those who first heard the Good News failed to enter through unbelief.” It was not a matter of stopping work on Friday at sunset but a failure to embrace the spirit and mind of Christ, thereby entering into “a Sabbath rest [which] awaits the people of God: anyone who enters God’s rest, rests from his own works as God did from his” (vv. 9, 10). That sort of rest applies to every day of the week.

Joshua led the children of Israel into the promised land. They were given a national law peculiar to Israel. Despite rigorous Sabbath-keeping, Israel’s tumultuous history brought her to the brink of another sad era, the exile — far removed from the rest God had designed for her. In the time of Jeremiah, reliance on the repeated mantra that the Temple could save them showed how far their hearts were removed from true faith. “Thus says the Lord of hosts…‘Amend your ways and your deeds…Do not trust in the deceptive words, saying, ‘This place is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord!’ This slogan of yours is a lie; put no trust in it” (Jer. 7:3, 4).

Israel nevertheless was still the nation designed by God to hear a life-saving Message involving a completely new focus. Her long-awaited Messiah arrived with his galvanizing Gospel of the Kingdom, a message that was to encompass also the nations of the world (Matt. 24:14). Jesus persistently demonstrated to his people that the time of the Temple and all it stood for was coming to an end. Her cherished Law was inadequate for the period of the announcement of the Kingdom to all the world. By word and deed, he proclaimed that only he had answers to the impossibly difficult problems facing the nation. Peter advocated this teaching by declaring that there was no other Name (i.e. system of faith) given under heaven by which everyone of every nation must be saved (Acts 4:12).

Reflecting on Jesus’ dramatic disturbance of the Temple, “his disciples recalled the words of scripture: ‘Zeal for your house will consume me.’ The Jews challenged Jesus: ‘What sign can you show to justify your action?’ ‘Destroy this temple,’ Jesus replied, ‘and in three days I will raise it up again.’ The Jews said, ‘It has taken forty-six years to build this temple. Are you going to raise it up again in three days?’ But the temple he was speaking of was his body. After his resurrection his disciples understood the full force of these words. They believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus spoke” (John 2:17-22).

A whole new mindset does not grow out of rules and rituals. You cannot legislate acts of kindness. They proceed from a way of life in the spirit of the Gospel of the Kingdom. Kindness still perpetuates the divine principle of sacrifice. Unblemished animals had to be offered in sacrifice, not the lame and the dying. God is concerned with people, not animals. Our kindness must be wholehearted. Paul joins the chorus of New Testament teachers calling on us to “Carry one another’s burdens and in this way fulfill the law of Christ.” Laws have not been “done away with.” They have been reinterpreted on a new plain in the spirit. The law did not provide a way to life. It is through the new mediator and his New Covenant teaching, as well as his death and resurrection, that we approach God. With the replacement of the Temple we are launched into the new age of the spirit. The resurrection on Sunday marks the beginning of a new system: “Having risen on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene” (Mark 16:9). That formerly demonized lady enjoyed the privilege of the first exclusive interview with the risen Messiah. Sunday was indeed the appointed “third day since all these things [the crucifixion] happened” (Luke 24:21).

This arresting theme occupies the writer of Hebrews 7:18, 19: “The earlier rules are repealed as ineffective and useless, since the law brought nothing to perfection, and a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.” The entire Mosaic system was suspended. At the Messiah’s death the Temple veil had been torn asunder, ripped from top to bottom. The separation between Jew and Gentile was no more. At this juncture and the resurrection of Jesus the new Temple became the body of Christ, available for membership to all nations through repentance, belief in the Kingdom Gospel of Jesus and baptism (Mark 1:14, 15; Acts 8:12; 28:23, 31), apart from the sacrifices and the legalism of the Temple ordinances.

If the Mosaic dispensation had produced a climate that would bring the world in contact with its Creator, why change it? Why remove this system so solemnly and gloriously promulgated at Sinai? The answer is that the Law at Sinai was not God’s last word.

Never did Paul refer back to Genesis 2:3 to sanction the seventh-day Sabbath as an obligation for Christians. Nor did any of the New Testament writers. Abraham was not commended first for his obedience to the Law of circumcision as a path to right standing before God. That rite came only after Abraham was given God’s stamp of approval because of his belief in the promises of God that he would receive the land/Kingdom and the celebrated seed, the Messiah. “Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” That is the New Testament slogan, but it is not the center of the Mosaic code. Abraham was not obliged to keep the Sabbath. To revert to a semi-Mosaic system, despite the constant protestations of the New Testament against it, risks the introduction of another Gospel, one without the power to save (see the whole argument of Paul in Galatians).

Lest anyone misunderstand, Paul says, “Tell me now, you that are so anxious to be under law, will you not listen to what the Law says?” (Gal. 4:21 —that Law which gives a sense of our own righteousness). “Such persuasion did not come from God who called you. A little leaven, remember, ‘leavens all the dough’” (Gal. 5:8, 9). This blend of the Mosaic law with its rules and rituals, God’s grace and the laws of Christ is a disastrously confusing mixture. It destroys the simplicity of the universal Gospel of Christ which is now the vehicle for taking the Kingdom of God message to the whole of the world.

“Those who rely on obedience to the law are under a curse” (Gal. 3:10). “I impress on you once again, that every man who accepts circumcision is under obligation to keep the entire Law. When you seek to be justified by way of Law you are cut off from Christ: you have put yourselves outside of God’s grace” (Gal. 5:3, 4). The point could hardly be clearer. But such freedom from Law is not a freedom to be inactive. It is freedom to enter the service of Christ in spreading the Gospel of Christ, i.e., the Gospel of the Kingdom, Luke 9:60: “Go and preach the Kingdom everywhere.”

“You must understand, my brothers, that it is through Christ that forgiveness of sins is now being proclaimed to you. It is through him that everyone who has faith is acquitted of everything for which there was no acquittal under the Law of Moses” (Acts 13:38, 39).

No ritual animal sacrifice, food law, keeping of Sabbaths, New Moons or Holy Days, tithing or special offering can strengthen our position with God. God “loves a cheerful giver,” certainly, but this is not just a repeat of the Old Testament tithing regulation, which Paul imposed on no one.

With his ministry devoted entirely to proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom, Jesus began to remove every barrier which would interfere with his life-giving message to the world. The blindness which clings to outmoded Old Testament regulation can be removed only in Christ. The commands of Christ are simple. They begin with the summary of the faith: “The Kingdom of God is at hand [and now the imperative]: Repent and believe the Gospel of the Kingdom” (Mark 1:14, 15). “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord” (Mark 12:28ff). Jewish monotheism is still the framework of the faith. Jesus knows of no Trinitarian or Binitarian modification of the faith. Belief in the One God of Israel and in Jesus as the promised Messiah, plus the demands of love to neighbor and brother, summarize the faith. This new system frees us to concentrate on the command to shoulder the task which counted supremely for Jesus: “I must proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom to the other cities also; that is why I was commissioned” (Luke 4:43). That commission passes now to his Church, which, under his supervision from the right hand of God, is to invite men and women of all nations to “repent and believe in the Gospel about the Kingdom,” the new way involving the new Hope by which we can approach God (Heb. 10:20).

13 Responses to ““Destroy This Temple”: The End of the Mosaic System (Pt. 2)”

  1. on 12 Nov 2010 at 5:34 pmrobert

    I find it very sad that the author of this is ignorant to the context of Jeremiah 31:31 and Hebrews 8:8 to not understand who is being addressed. It is also very sad that the author has no idea who the lost tribes of Israel are and by what name they are being called. There are several important verses that show who these gentiles among gentiles are so here is a few.

    Romans 9:25-26: “As He says also in Hosea: ‘I will call them My people, who were not My people, and her beloved, who was not beloved. And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, You are not My people, there they will be called sons of the living God.'”

    Hosea 1:10: Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, You are not My people, there it shall be said to them, You are the sons of the living God.

    And yet there is none more important than these verses from the context of the above verses

    Acts 15
    14 Simon has related how God first visited to take out of [the] nations a people for his name. 15 And with this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written: 16 After these things I will return, and will rebuild the tabernacle of David which is fallen, and will rebuild its ruins, and will set it up, 17 so that the residue of men may seek out the Lord, and all the gentiles on whom is called by my name , saith [the] Lord, who does these things 18 known from eternity. 19 Wherefore I judge, not to trouble those who return from the nations to turn back to God;

    These are Physical Israel that were told they were not his people which are turning back to God To re-enter the renewed covenant on which the changes are addressed in Hebrews.
    It is sad that this author doesnt realize that God sent Jesus for the redemption of Israel and also as a blessing to the whole world called GRACE.
    It is not all this authors fault because almost all translations and lexicons have been bias to the truth of what written in the Word Of God

  2. on 12 Nov 2010 at 5:42 pmMark C.

    I find it very sad that you don’t see the difference between someone having a valid opinion that differs from yours, and someone being ignorant. As usual, we must agree to disagree.

  3. on 12 Nov 2010 at 5:52 pmrobert

    on 12 Nov 2010 at 5:42 pm2 Mark C.
    I find it very sad that you don’t see the difference between someone having a valid opinion that differs from yours, and someone being ignorant. As usual, we must agree to disagree.

    Mark
    That was an extremely rude post in which you make a false claim that I called someone ignorant.
    You do understand that ignorant of and ignorant means 2 different things.
    We are all ignorant of things but we are all not ignorant.
    Please read more thorough before making accussations.

  4. on 12 Nov 2010 at 7:04 pmMark C.

    Robert,

    I’m sorry if I appeared rude. It wasn’t my intention. I didn’t say you were calling him ignorant, and I understand that you were saying he was ignorant of certain facts. But my point was that when someone has a view or opinion that is different from yours, you often attribute it to the person not knowing all the facts.  In actuality, a person can have all the facts and simply have a different viewpoint. That is why we must agree to disagree.

  5. on 12 Nov 2010 at 7:16 pmrobert

    “But my point was that when someone has a view or opinion that is different from yours, you often attribute it to the person not knowing all the facts. In actuality, a person can have all the facts and simply have a different viewpoint.”

    Mark since this can be said of everyone here why do you try to single me out. Yes the view of the facts are an issue but then again I doubt i have met a person with all the facts including myself. But when they ignore facts is what i have issues with in which the author of that article either ignores , perhaps doesnt understand or overlooked the facts.
    This is why I included facts in my post

  6. on 12 Nov 2010 at 8:00 pmMark C.

    “But my point was that when someone has a view or opinion that is different from yours, you often attribute it to the person not knowing all the facts…”

    Mark since this can be said of everyone here why do you try to single me out.

    I disagree that it can be said of everyone here. I think the majority of the posters understand that there are different viewpoints and opinions, and don’t claim that someone with a different viewpoint must be ignorant of the facts. They simply agree to disagree.

    Yes the view of the facts are an issue but then again I doubt i have met a person with all the facts including myself. But when they ignore facts is what i have issues with in which the author of that article either ignores , perhaps doesnt understand or overlooked the facts.

    Since you don’t know Charles Hunting, you have no basis for assuming that he is ignoring, misunderstanding, or overlooking facts. As I said, a person can have all the facts (relative to the subject) and simply have a different viewpoint.

    This is why I included facts in my post

    What you included were not “facts” but your view of what the context of certain passages is referring to. But others have different views on what the context means in such cases. This doesn’t mean that they are ignorant of it, just that they have a different opinion.

    You have clearly demonstrated your point of view and your belief system, especially regarding the subject of this article. The views expressed by this article are intended to present another way of looking at it. I know you will not be convinced, so I suggest again that we agree to disagree and let it go.

  7. on 12 Nov 2010 at 8:19 pmrobert

    “I disagree that it can be said of everyone here. I think the majority of the posters understand that there are different viewpoints and opinions, and don’t claim that someone with a different viewpoint must be ignorant of the facts. They simply agree to disagree.”

    Mark
    You would because you believe that you dont when you do this yourself and are doing right now and has been one of the problems we have with eachother. At least I was being honest by including myself in your observation by not denying it.
    I am not sure I know someone not capable of this, just there is just some that do it less and some that do it more.

    “Since you don’t know Charles Hunting, you have no basis for assuming that he is ignoring, misunderstanding, or overlooking facts.”

    Mark
    I dont have to know him to see that he is ignoring ,doesnt understand or overlooking facts , I just have to look at the facts written in Greek and Hebrew to know this.

    “You have clearly demonstrated your point of view and your belief system, especially regarding the subject of this article. The views expressed by this article are intended to present another way of looking at it. I know you will not be convinced, so I suggest again that we agree to disagree and let it go.”

    Mark
    This is why I posted another view and will everytime there is something i dont see supported by the Word Of God
    There is no doubt we must agree to disagree but first the disagreement must be noted.

  8. on 27 Apr 2012 at 12:14 pmDoubting Thomas

    The fact of the matter is that the Mosaic system was still being quoted and taught even well into the book of Revelation. Paul quoted the first commandment with a promise in Ephesians 6:2, he also quotes from the law of Moses about muzzling the ox. He quotes from it when he says “come out from among them and touch nothing unclean” in 2 Corinthians 6. He quotes from it when he read in the synagogues every “Sabbath”. The book of Hebrews is a questionable document in itself, we don’t know the author, but what we do know is what is said in Deuteronomy 4 and 13, God’s commandments are everlasting. Man shall not live by bread alone but by “every word” God speaks. This whole replacement theology is just a way for Christians to feel good about breaking God’s commandments…

  9. on 28 Apr 2012 at 6:18 pmDoubting Thomas

    Sean and everyone else,
    I don’t know what is going on, but I didn’t post this message above. Someone seems to be posting under my name somehow???

  10. on 29 Apr 2012 at 11:30 amTim (aka Antioch)

    In my browser, the familiar ‘Doubting Thomas’ does not have his name hyperlinked whereas this new ‘Doubting Thomas’ does and it links to some flooring company in Florida.

  11. on 29 Apr 2012 at 12:32 pmDoubting Thomas

    Well maybe there is someone else around that shares the same nickname as me… 🙂

  12. on 29 Apr 2012 at 5:27 pmtimothy

    DT in post # 8 in green letters

    DT in post # 9 and 11 in black letters

    Galatians 2:
    4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:…..

    8)

  13. on 29 Apr 2012 at 6:12 pmDoubting Thomas

    Hi timothy,
    (BTW – I’m the Doubting Thomas in black letters) It looks like I might have to change my name…. 8)

  

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