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I am sure we could add to some of these thoughts, but I think it’s important to consider this – not for the judgment of others, but for an examination of our own life.

Personally, I know I endeavored to live for God on my own strength for some time.  I believed the “right things”, knew when to say “amen” in the sermon, grew up in a Christian home, and all the rest – but I was not a new person.  I was simply a better version of the old version of me.  And this led to great frustration – wanting to do the right thing but not being able to and wanted to not do the wrong thing but not being able to.

But when the holy spirit came into my life, things changed.  God softened my stony heart and gave me a heart of flesh.  He empowered me to live holy and start to hate sin.  He opened up my eyes to His truth and taught me to know Him.  I hope you have seen the same thing in your life.  It’s what God wants for His people.  And in fact, it’s what it means to be His people.

Romans 8:11 – But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

I hope you too can give testimony to the great mercy of our God to not leave us alone in our endeavors to live for Him and like Christ.

Acts 1:8 – …but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

21 Responses to “The Difference Between A Christian And A Non-Christian”

  1. on 14 Aug 2012 at 9:50 pmDoubting Thomas

    Good post. Thanks Victor… 🙂

  2. on 14 Aug 2012 at 9:58 pmtimothy


    Thank you Victor.

    This should act as a spring board to:

    1) Receiving the holy spirit into manifestation just as the 12 did when they were baptized by Jesus Christ.

    A) They were all filled to overflowing with holy spirit by speaking in tongues.

    B) They were no more full of fear and hiding behind closed doors for fear of the Judeans.

    C) They boldly spoke GODs word to the masses, with fearless candor, as 2 Tim 1:7 tells about the attribute of having the indwelling spirit of truth/Paraclete, Christ in you, the hope of glory.

    D) They operated the nine manifestations of holy spirit, with love, to proform signs, wonders and miracles as a witness.

    E) They were called followers of the way, the truth,and the life: our human, raised raised from the dead, ascended and now seated at GODs right hand, Lord and Savoir *Jesus Christ*

    Nothing has changed, except the thief has stolen GODs word, killed the manisfesting of the Christ within with strange/false doctrines, and destroyed many souls who have not become kingdom ready already.

    Jesus said:

    John 10: (nasb)
    10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.

    Matthew 8: (kjv)
    26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

    Apostle Paul said:

    Romans 10:
    17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    Tomorrow is a new day, why not wake up and re-new your mind by taking advantage of this electronic invention, GOD has allowed, so that you may not remain ignorant. KR/lhim.org has a vast archive of teachings about being kingdom ready.

    1 Corinthians 12:
    1 Now concerning spiritual matters(pneumaticos), brethren, I would not have you ignorant.(pneumaticos=things of the spirit)

    To be pleasing to GOD, do not stay in this catagory:

    1 Corinthians 14:
    38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

    To the contrary:

    39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

    40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

    Thanks for the exhortation.

    Timothy 🙂

  3. on 17 Aug 2012 at 6:49 amtimothy

    What does one get when baptized with holy spirit?

    The 12 apostles were the first humans to be saved by Jesus’ baptism:
    Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, and Philip, and Thomas, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James, and Matthias who replaced Judas Iscariot.

    Jesus promised that they would receive Spirit of Truth/pareclete and *power*.

    Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive *power*, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:….

    When one reads this verse today, translated into English, they do not even know that there are several Greek words that mean power.

    Any sixties hippie can tell you that there was an electronic music group called “Kraftwerk”. Kraftwerk is the German name for the electric company or “powerplant”. Greek=*kraft*=power

    Our view of the full moon and recent Mars landing show huge crators where meteors have impacted leaving an imprint. Greek=*kratos*

    Dynamit, an explosive, is used in mining, construction/demolition and highway building. The name comes from Greek=*dunamis*=power

    another Greek word for power is: *eschis*

    *dunimus* translated in NT: (this is the *power* in Acts 1:8)

    KJV (120 times) – might, 4; mighty, 2; mighty work, 11; miracle, 7; misc, 9; power, 77; strength, 7; virtue, 3
    NAS (121 times) – ability, 4; meaning, 1; mightily, 1; mighty, 1; miracle, 2; miracles, 17; miraculous powers, 3; power, 83; powers, 6; strength, 2; wealth, 1


    strength power, ability
    inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
    power for performing miracles
    moral power and excellence of soul

    *miraculous power, might, strength*

    The is the *power* Jesus Christ promised we would receive when:

    Romans 10:
    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    This dunamis power is/was evidenced by *speaking in tongues*!

    One receives *dunamis* and their personal *Paraclete* when baptized by the first resurrected, ascended, human being, Jesus Christ.

    Timothy 🙂

  4. on 18 Aug 2012 at 12:21 amtimothy

    A simple word study for *dunamis* in New Testament.

    Matthew 7:22; 11:20, 21, 23; 13:54, 58; 14:2; 22:29; 24:29, 30; 25:15; 26:64

    Mark 5:30; 6:2, 5, 14; 9:1, 39; 12:24; 13:25, 26; 14:62

    Luke 1:17, 35; 4:14, 36; 5:17; 6:19; 8:46; 9:1; 10:13, 19; 19:37; 21:26, 27; 22:69; 24:49

    Acts 1:8; 2:22; 3:12; 4:7, 33; 6:8; 8:10, 13; 10:38; 19:11; Ro 1:4, 16, 20; 8:38; 9:17; 15:13, 19

    1 Corinthians 1:18, 24; 2:4, 5; 4:19, 20; 5:4; 6:14; 12:10, 28, 29; 14:11; 15:24, 43, 56

    2Corinthians 1:8; 4:7; 6:7; 8:3; 12:9, 12; 13:4

    Galatians 3:5

    Ephesians 1:19, 21; 3:7, 16, 20; Phil. 3:10

    Colossians 1:11, 29

    1Thessalonians 1:5

    Thessalonians 1:7, 11; 2:9

    2Timothy 1:7, 8; 3:5

    Hebrews 1:3; 2:4; 6:5; 7:16; 11:11, 34

    1Peter 1:5; 3:22

    2Peter 1:3, 16; 2:11

    Revelations 1:16; 3:8; 4:11; 5:12; 7:12; 11:17; 12:10; 13:2; 15:8; 17:13; 18:3; 19:1

    By reading (this takes time and concentration) each verse one will perceive how GOD/YAHWEH has used dunamis to teach what one receives with holy spirit, and how this was/is used for the christian to *LOVE* and carry out our Ministry of Reconciliation with *LOVE* and to bear fruit. The *dunamis* is for our ministry use only and not to fulfill ones covertness.

    Following post has complete verses….so for brevity of time study use it. However best is to look up verses and read with context.

    Timothy 🙂

  5. on 18 Aug 2012 at 12:49 amtimothy

    A FURTHER WORD STUDY FOR *DUNAMIS*.(all of the above and this following were found and copy/paste from GOOGLE)

    These actually give an explanation. I am not sure of which version these verses were taken.

    The 115 NT uses of

    Matthew 7:22 (note) “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

    Matthew 11:20 Then He began to reproach the cities in which most of His miracles were done, because they did not repent. 21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

    Matthew 11:23 “And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You shall descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day.

    Matthew 13:54 And coming to His home town He began teaching them in their synagogue, so that they became astonished, and said, “Where did this man get this wisdom, and these miraculous powers?

    Matthew 13:58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.

    Matthew 14:2 and said to his servants, “This is John the Baptist; he has risen from the dead; and that is why miraculous powers are at work in him.”

    Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God.

    Matthew 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken, 30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

    Matthew 25:15 “And to one he gave five talents, to another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and he went on his journey.

    Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power (see identical name of God in Mark 14:62), and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

    Mark 5:30 And immediately Jesus, perceiving in Himself that the power proceeding from Him had gone forth, turned around in the crowd and said, “Who touched My garments?”

    Mark 6:2 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?

    Mark 6:5 And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands upon a few sick people and healed them.

    Mark 6:14 And King Herod heard of it, for His name had become well known; and people were saying, “John the Baptist has risen from the dead, and that is why these miraculous powers are at work in Him.”

    Mark 9:1 And He was saying to them, “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.” (see Mk 13:25-26, 14:62, Mt 24:29, 30)

    Mark 9:39 But Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who shall perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me.

    Mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures, or the power of God?

    Mark 13:25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 “And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

    Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

    Luke 1:17 “And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

    Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God.

    Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit; and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district. (This verse speaks volumes about how we are to minister for the Lord today!)

    Luke 4:36 And amazement came upon them all, and they began discussing with one another saying, “What is this message? For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits, and they come out.”

    Luke 5:17 And it came about one day that He was teaching; and there were some Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting there, who had come from every village of Galilee and Judea and from Jerusalem; and the power of the Lord was present for Him to perform healing.

    Luke 6:19 And all the multitude were trying to touch Him, for power was coming from Him and healing them all.

    Luke 8:46 But Jesus said, “Someone did touch Me, for I was aware that power had gone out of Me.”

    Luke 9:1 And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons, and to heal diseases.

    Luke 10:13 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had been performed in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

    Luke 10:19 “Behold, I have given you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall injure you.

    Luke 19:37 And as He was now approaching, near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the miracles which they had seen,

    Luke 21:26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 “And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

    Luke 22:69 “But from now on the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”

    Luke 24:49 “And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

    Acts 1:8 but you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

    Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know–

    Acts 3:12 But when Peter saw this, he replied to the people, “Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this, or why do you gaze at us, as if by our own power or piety we had made him walk?

    Acts 4:7 And when they had placed them in the center, they began to inquire, “By what power, or in what name, have you done this?”

    Acts 4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all.

    Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.

    Acts 8:10 and they all, from smallest to greatest, were giving attention to him, saying, “This man is what is called the Great Power of God.”

    Acts 8:13 And even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip; and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed.

    Acts 10:38 “You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good, and healing all who were oppressed by the devil; for God was with Him.

    Acts 19:11 And God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul,

    Romans 1:4 (note) who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,

    Romans 1:16 (note) For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

    Romans 1:20 (note) For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

    Romans 8:38 (note) For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,

    Romans 9:17 (note) For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.”

    Romans 15:13 (note) Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Romans 15:19 (note) in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

    1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

    1 Corinthians 1:24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

    1 Corinthians 2:4 And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

    1 Corinthians 2:5 that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

    1 Corinthians 4:19 But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant, but their power. 20 For the kingdom of God does not consist in words, but in power.

    1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,

    1 Corinthians 6:14 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.

    1 Corinthians 12:10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.

    1 Corinthians 12:28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?

    1 Corinthians 14:11 If then I do not know the meaning (dunamis) of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

    1 Corinthians 15:24 then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

    1 Corinthians 15:43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

    1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;

    2 Corinthians 1:8 For we do not want you to be unaware, brethren, of our affliction which came to us in Asia, that we were burdened excessively, beyond our strength, so that we despaired even of life;

    2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the surpassing greatness of the power may be of God and not from ourselves

    2 Corinthians 6:7 in the word of truth, in the power of God; by the weapons of righteousness for the right hand and the left,

    2 Corinthians 8:3 For I testify that according to their ability, and beyond their ability they gave of their own accord,

    2 Corinthians 12:9 And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

    2 Corinthians 12:12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles.

    2 Corinthians 13:4 For indeed He was crucified because of weakness, yet He lives because of the power of God. For we also are weak in Him, yet we shall live with Him because of the power of God directed toward you.

    Galatians 3:5 Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

    Ephesians 1:19 (note) and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might

    Ephesians 1:21 (note) far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come.

    Ephesians 3:7 (note) of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God’s grace which was given to me according to the working of His power.

    Ephesians 3:16 (note) that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man;

    Ephesians 3:20 (note) Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us,

    Philippians 3:10 (note) that I may know Him, and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;

    Colossians 1:11 (note) strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously

    Colossians 1:29 (note) And for this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me.

    1 Thessalonians 1:5 (note) for our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction; just as you know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.

    2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,

    2 Thessalonians 1:11 To this end also we pray for you always that our God may count you worthy of your calling, and fulfill every desire for goodness and the work of faith with power;

    2 Thessalonians 2:9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

    2 Timothy 1:7 (note) For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline.

    2 Timothy 1:8 (note) Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, or of me His prisoner; but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God,

    2 Timothy 3:5 (note) holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; and avoid such men as these.

    Hebrews 1:3 (note) And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    Hebrews 2:4 (note) God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will.

    Hebrews 6:5 (note) and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

    Hebrews 7:16 (note) who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life.

    Hebrews 11:11 (note) By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised;

    Hebrews 11:34 (note) quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.

    1 Peter 1:5 (note) who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    1 Peter 3:22 (note) who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

    2 Peter 1:3 (note) seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

    2 Peter 1:16 (note) For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

    2 Peter 2:11 (note) whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.

    Revelation 1:16 (note) And in His right hand He held seven stars; and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

    Revelation 3:8 (note) ‘I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name.

    Revelation 4:11 (note) “Worthy art Thou, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for Thou didst create all things, and because of Thy will they existed, and were created.”

    Revelation 5:12 (note) saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”

    Revelation 7:12 (note) saying, “Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”

    Revelation 11:17 (note) saying, “We give Thee thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who art and who wast, because Thou hast taken Thy great power and hast begun to reign.

    Revelation 12:10 (note) And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them before our God day and night.

    Revelation 13:2 (note) And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.

    Revelation 15:8 (note) And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power; and no one was able to enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.

    Revelation 17:13 (note) “These have one purpose and they give their power and authority to the beast.

    Revelation 18:3 (note) “For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth (dunamis) of her sensuality.”

    Revelation 19:1 (note) After these things I heard, as it were, a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God;

    Wow…using the computer and internet is truly a blessing for one studying GODs word. I still use my “Young’s Concordance” and online bibles. But it would take hours to look up and then copy/paste the verses.

    Here and with the other simple study….more time now to do a reading and to: HUAHB.

    Timothy 🙂

  6. on 18 Aug 2012 at 3:11 pmWolfgang


    what is the purpose of this “Jesus [this] …, Jesus [that] …, Jesus [some more] ? Did I miss something, or did others also not hear him speak about God Almighty?

    Anyone else noticed that he took the passage from Acts 1 out of context and applied it in a somewhat general sense which was not necessarily what Jesus had in mind?

    I thought his illustration / comparison for “being connected to the power” using the Amish community in PA was of rather very poor taste … especially so, since most likely more Amish people are living a genuinely God fearing
    life in their “dark, not power connected homes” than all those whatever class people in their “lit up fancy homes”


  7. on 18 Aug 2012 at 3:17 pmWolfgang


    what about the difference between a Christian and a non-Christian? how is it that some folks live more in accordance with biblical principles (perhaps without even knowing that such principles are godly and from the Bible) than others who call themselves Christian and confess Christianity as what they believe ?

    Is the difference really {only} in Christians having “holy spirit power” ? Furthermore, how is it that we today even with all the teaching on holy spirit and manifestations of the spirit, etc. still for the most part do not see happen in our lives and communities what we read about in the book of Acts? Could it have something to do with the truth that most (if not all) the signs, miracles and wonders which are reported in Acts were worked by the apostles rather than “any and all believers”?

    Does it have something to do with what (was it “Mike”) mentioned in a different thread about holy spirit manifestations / “can all Christians speak in tongues?”/ etc.?


  8. on 18 Aug 2012 at 4:32 pmMike Gantt

    I applaud the video and the post for emphasizing the grace God gives us to live for Him, without which we struggle in our own weakness and fail. However, I also agree with Wolfgang that when the video divides people into Christian and Non-Christian categories, it is less worthy of applause. In fact, I would go farther and say that such distinctions lead to pride and, subsequently, a fall. What matters in life is the keeping of the commandments of God (1 Cor 7:19) and the human labeling of people as being in or out of God is a woeful mischief.

  9. on 18 Aug 2012 at 10:56 pmtimothy


    Nice to hear/read you again.

    As you have written:

    **Furthermore, how is it that we today even with all the teaching on holy spirit and manifestations of the spirit, etc. still for the most part do not see happen in our lives and communities what we read about in the book of Acts?**

    I certainly remember, when we were young and restless, trusting in GOD and fearless with fearless candor. You are a legend to those that continue to agapao you to this day and hour.

    The apostle Paul was just the same, manifesting the same holy spirit and setting the world on fire speaking for GOD. Even all of
    Asia(near east) heard the gospel of Jesus Christ by Paul’s witnessing. We used to say he was *walking with all nine all the time*, remember.

    Well Paul seams to have been led captive when he would not listen to the prophesy of Agabus and the others:

    Acts 21:
    10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.

    11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul’s girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.

    14 And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done.

    Has anyone, a prophet, an Apostle, a teacher, ever given you prophesy.

    Well, he literally was not only led captive, but captured. And the dynamic ministry he began came to a screeching halt:

    Acts 28;
    30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,

    31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

    He still continued teaching, however, he does not seem to have had a holy ghost revival.

    You have further written:

    **Could it have something to do with the truth that most (if not all) the signs, miracles and wonders which are reported in Acts were worked by the apostles rather than “any and all believers”?**

    Paul wrote, by revelation from Jesus Christ:

    1 Corinthians 12:
    27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

    28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

    30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

    Ephesians 4:
    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

    16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    No! I believe that what ever, who ever and when ever all and each have the *dunamis* power ability to do what ever is needed to edify the body of Christ in love. Still(jetzt) !!!!!!!!

    We were shipwrecked!!!!!! Now is the time to stop being marooned and a castaway(*adokimos*).

    GOD has not changed!

    Jesus Christ is still the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

    The lack of signs, wonders and miracles is because of ignorance.

    One category is, those who are *apistia*= unbelievers because they have never heard. GOD is still *no respecter of persons* as each person has the same **full measure of holy spirit**:

    ***pressed down, shaken together and running over over***


    Timothy 🙂

  10. on 18 Aug 2012 at 11:51 pmtimothy

    Wolfgang and all you alls, Bretherin.


  11. on 19 Aug 2012 at 11:52 amTim (aka Antioch)

    Wolfgang wrote:

    Furthermore, how is it that we today even with all the teaching on holy spirit and manifestations of the spirit, etc. still for the most part do not see happen in our lives and communities what we read about in the book of Acts?

    I have wondered about this as well. Could we ever recreate the type of community that is described in Acts? Maybe for brief periods of time but nothing that lasts.

    Seems to parallel personal experience. When my conversion happened, I felt the spirit moving strongly in me for about 6-8 weeks before it waned and now I rarely feel it and maybe only for brief moments (though I still do get reminders often when my thoughts are not what they should be).

    Seems that is not uncommon. Even Mother Theresa was said to be ‘on fire for the Lord’ in her younger years but lamented later in life about having lost that years before and it never returning. Is this just the way it works or has something gone amiss?

  12. on 19 Aug 2012 at 3:34 pmSarah

    Tim (aka Antioch),

    My perspective is that the movement of the HS in Acts was a small scale example of the kingdom of God when it arrives in visible power. In the parable of the wheat and tares, Jesus says that when the wicked are removed from the world, then the sons of the kingdom will shine like the sun. Keep in mind too the apostles frequently spoke about the need for perseverance, and encouraged the churches not to grow weary. As believers we wrestles against powers and principalities that would like to stifle the spirit’s activity within us. We also still wrestle with the flesh, which fights against the spirit.

    If you look at the Biblical record, dry periods happened to many of God’s chosen people. Think of David and the Psalms. David would ask, “Why are you downcast, O my soul?” yet he continued to actively trust in, pray to, and praise God even during his dry seasons. That helps me remember how I should respond when those inevitable times have come during my own journey. I don’t always respond to those times as well as I’d like, but God has consistently been faithful to renew a strong sense of his presence within me even after long stretches of struggle or *apparent* silence.

  13. on 20 Aug 2012 at 6:10 amWolfgang


    in light of your comment, the question still remains: Why is it that we today do not see what we read in the book of Acts (and, please note, just about all folks, even those who teach and claim to walk by the manifestations of holy spirit, agree that what we see today is by en large not what is recorded in Acts) ?
    Did those believers then not have the same or similar times of tribulation and hardship,etc. as believers today encounter? Were they somehow different from us today? Or were the apostles the ones who worked the miracles, etc … and we today just do no longer have such apostles? or was there a specific purpose for the use of the manifestation of holy spirit power at that time which purpose no longer exists in our day and time ?

    Sure we have struggles at times … but so did they, yes? Thus, pointing to times of struggle, etc. does not seem to really answer the above question

  14. on 20 Aug 2012 at 7:37 amMike Gantt


    Regarding your comment 13, don’t forget the unity of the NT church. That’s certainly an aspect of the first church that is not apparent today.

  15. on 20 Aug 2012 at 9:37 amWolfgang


    you mention an interesting point there which may well have had some impact on various things.

    Nevertheless, were the “manifestations of the spirit” the difference between Christians and non-Christians then (and are they today) ? As I mentioned initially, reading more carefully in Acts, it looks like most of the recorded miracles and other holy spirit manifestations occurred with the apostles, or in very particular circumstances (such as the record of the conversion of the household of Cornelius, or the record about the first disciples at Ephesus.

    There is no “every day a miracle” Christian life-style, or what some of us heard preached years ago “all nine [manifestations of the spirit] all the time” type of Christian walk recorded in Acts, and neither in the NT epistles.

  16. on 20 Aug 2012 at 9:50 amSarah


    My resopnse to Tim was focused on experiencing the HS personally. What I do know about the manifestations that occurred in the book of Acts (healings, resurrections, joy, unity) is that they will take place on a worldwide scale during the millennial reign. Malachi 4, Isaiah 35, 60, and 65 describe this, among many other passages.
    The wheat and tares parable illustrates that the wicked are in some way hindering the fullness of the kingdom from manifesting. Naturally, you’ll disagree with me. But I’d prefer to leave it there rather than debate preterism on this thread.

  17. on 20 Aug 2012 at 10:49 amTim (aka Antioch)

    Thank you, Sarah.

  18. on 20 Aug 2012 at 12:19 pmSarah

    I don’t know that I expressed my thoughts as clearly as I wanted to. I believe the apostles in particular were given unusual HS power to administer the “Kingdom of God” during their lifetime, providing a small-scale record of how the world will be restored in the future. But almost all the apostles were murdered by wicked men, just as Jesus was. Since that time there has clearly been a diminishment in HS power in subsequent generations (with some exceptions). Wickedness and diluted doctrine have temporarily been permitted to diminish HS power until the appointed time. Paul apparently knew this would be the case:

    “I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.” (Act 20:29-30)

  19. on 22 Aug 2012 at 3:44 pmLorraine

    Tim(aka Antioch), and Sarah, first good come back Tim, for there will be before the day that burns as an oven in Malachi 4:1, in Malachi 3:18 a chance for us the people to discern between the righteous, and the wicked, those who will serve YHWH, and those who will not. By reading this book of remembrance in Malachi 3:16, and learning the truth, and doing the law, as taught in Malachi 4:4, until this dreadful day of YHWH comes. YHWH proclaimed in Malachi 4:5, that one like Elijah the prophet will come, vs.6, and he shall turn the heart of the Father to the children, and the children to the heart of the Father. In This verse 6, the first letter in word father, should be capital, and the word should be singular, (Father), but its written in plural, and small case which is a transliteration of the rewriting. For which I agree with Sarah of the peace “the healing, unity, resurrection, and joy” that will unfold of the future prophecies in Isaiah 35, 60,and 65, it will be like the coming out of Egypt with the Pharaoh in Exodus 4:22,23, only it will be the coming out of the ‘north country’ this time, as prophesied in Isaiah 43:1-9.

    But, before any of this all happens, ‘first’ those of the controversy over in Israel, Zion will be judged by YHWH as prophesied in Isaiah 34:8, and in Ezekiel 35, where they in Israel today will be ran out of Israel to their borders, then ‘all’ will know, and discern YHWH, and confirmed in Isaiah 36:1-5, of His anger of the heathens’ possesion of His land, His holy land in Israel.

    I did post once before that many christians say that all of this is jesus, but there are plenty of other names that are being revealed in these future scriptures in the book of remembrance. It would seem that if Isaiah was able to prophesied from YHWH, Jeremiah, and Cyrus the Great, 200 years before they were born, and Moses prophesied from YHWH the blessings, then the curses in Deut. 30,31,32, from doing idols, and of the sword upon the earth back in 1400bce, and then in Jeremiah 25, around the 6th century 606bce from YHWH, until this very day, then why is there no mention of the one called jesus, or mary, nor any of the deciples? The ‘sword’ was also prophesed as early as Genesis 25 from Isaac to Esau about reaching his dominion, prophesied until this day of Rothschild a promient jew over in Israel, reaching dominion among 500 fortune other jews, and more who are in dominion, all in this country, the US, really the world today, prophecy fulfilled. Again where is anything about even the story of jesus, or even his, or his mother’s name in the book of remembrance? All of the scriptures said by christians that they are jesus, are reading the seed of David, or David, or the servant, or the elect, but not jc, if everyone else are mentioned as far back as 1400bce of the beginning writing of this book from Moses, of what is happening in the world today? Deuteronomy 28:15-67, and 68 has been fulfilled, is another confirmation of prophecy for today.

    What I do see all through the book of remembrance is the constant mentioning from YHWH of the false prophecy using His name that He did not send, or council with as taught in Jeremiah 29:9-22, and in Daniel 11:39-43 of the strange gods not known to YHWH, idols done by the people from the past, and the future until this day, of false teachings against Him, YHWH, misleading the flock. Praise YHWH.

  20. on 22 Aug 2012 at 7:29 pmLorraine

    Continued: After the true chosen Israel in Exodus 4:22,23,the ‘son, and firstborn’ is put back into the holy land, then there will be a last battle from those the enemies of old until today, Gog Persia, Libya, and Ethiopia will all try to take it the holy land back, and this is when YHWH will magnify Himself greatly, in Ezekiel 38. Praise YHWH.

  21. on 22 Aug 2012 at 7:40 pmLorraine

    To add, in Jeremiah 16:14-21. of the gentiles saying we were inherited lies, vanities. things that are of no profit, in vs.19, a future prophecy to come. YHWH Bless.


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