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Quantum Physics and Faith

  

In trying to get back in the swing of posting, I ‘m publishing an article here from one of my Facebook friends.

This was something he wrote and posted on FB last month and I really liked it a lot.  I told him I would post it here later so that others could read it as well.  Hope you enjoy it too.


 

QUANTUM PHYSICS AND FAITH
By Craig Fruth
WARNING SCIENCE INPUT.

Albert Einstein was asked if he was, in fact, religious. “Yes, you can call it that,” Einstein replied calmly. “Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent, I am, in fact religious.”

Though Einstein had spoken out against Quantum Physics as a valid science, he did in fact validate some of that science with the above statement.

Since the dawn of the scientific age and especially since our ability to observe it has increased, there have always been unanswerable questions at the end of every science regarding our natural realm. For example, the big bang theory, when all the silliness has been done away with and we get down to the real facts as we can observe, either matter has always existed or something came from nothing. This answer is untenable for a scientist that does not believe in God. It leaves them hanging with unanswered questions. Where did the matter come from or what force caused matter to appear? It is usually dismissed as a lack of enough data to answer the question. However, there is a wave of new highly educated scientists that are of the “No Fear” generation and could care less what the “Good Ole Boys” of science refused to consider. They want to do more than just venerate what Einstein called, “subtle, intangible and inexplicable.” They demand that science offer an explanation. What is the intangible force that holds an atom together when the components are of an opposite magnetic charge and by all the rules of science should fly apart with violence? Why is it when a human observes an atom under extreme magnification it resembles the standard model of the nucleus with the spinning electrons revolving around it – BUT, if the human turns away and the same molecule is observed by a video recorder the atom changes into a another form? What is the mysterious effect human observation has on the physical/natural realm?

Because we perceive ourselves as predominantly natural, physical beings, when we look at the natural sciences we inevitably look at the outset to the natural physical realm for answers. This has been one of the downfalls of science that has been slowly and sometimes painfully discovered in recent years. There are many good and reputable scientists that will now admit that there is something out there they cannot explain outside of a conscious, living force with what seems to be motives and intentions in what it does. There seems to be an intelligence behind the creation for purpose and meaning.

Let me switch gears for a moment and speak of the ancient Hebrew people and their culture. They were concrete thinkers and perceived their natural realm as integrated in the realm of God and a reflection of the Spirit of God. So, what is a spirit? Simply put, the spirit is the consciousness of a living being. God as a living being has a consciousness that consists of His expressions, thoughts, ideas, moral character and emotions. Moses as the writer of the creation story understood this truth very well. In the beginning was the consciousness of the living being we call God. John the Apostle understood it too in the opening of his gospel. In the beginning was the “Word” Logos Gr. (An expressed idea or plan) There was an intelligent design. Since God is omnipresent in all of creation, why do we need to go to some other realm to find Him? This belief comes from the Greek philosophies of Gnosticism and dualism. Furthermore if God is omnipresent, then you would find Him in every portion of our existence including our natural realm. What’s He doing there? He’s holding the atoms together.

Spirit has to come first. The physical creation as we see it cannot exist without spirit. In fact the very nature of the physical is dependent upon spirit.

Now let’s look at the physical creation. God fills the spiritual realm with subatomic particles that are held together by His very presence. He arranges them and combines to make different atoms resulting in different elements. He then takes from his own life (consciousness) and begins to bring forth living things. To the plants He gives enough life to exist as a living thing and the ability to reproduce. In fact this drive to reproduce life of the same kind as yourself is a part of God’s character. To the animals He does the same but adds enough spirit to produce a soul with emotions. In the Hebrew language the same word for soul is used interchangeably for human and animal. They both have emotions and the ability (in various degrees) to think and make decisions. When it came to humanity God desired more than the animal that lives and reacts by instinct alone. To the man God breathed His spirit/consciousness in him resulting in creating a human spirit. Plants and animals do not have a moral character, but humanity, his spirit, made in the image of God, has a moral character. All humanity from then on has come into existence with a human spirit in them. They are stamped with the very expression of God’s Spirit. They have the same reasoning ability and emotional structure. Adam and Eve functioned perfectly in the intelligently designed world that was an expression of God’s own nature. Why did He do this, because like all living beings He wants to produce offspring that are like Him. Mankind has a character like his creator/father, but this character needs be matured and tested.

In the Hebrew Gen 2:7 reads a bit different then we are used to reading in the English. “… God breathed the breath of life in Adam and he existed as a living being.” Prior to this Adam was a simple pile of atoms formed into molecules that had barely enough of God’s spirit to hold them together. The spirit impacted the natural atoms and what happens? LIFE, but not life like the plants or animals, but life that is a direct reflection of the consciousness of the creator himself. So why does the atom change forms when we look away? BECAUSE WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE NATURAL REALM.

Jesus understood the Quantum Physics of the universe because he knew the intelligent designer behind it. He knew him so well that he could manipulate those physics and walk through walls, calm the sea and make gold appear in a fish’s mouth.

NOW HERE IS THE COOL PART –

We are to be like Christ.

Think about it.

14 Responses to “Quantum Physics and Faith”

  1. on 30 Nov 2012 at 3:21 pmWolfgang

    Hi

    NOW HERE IS THE COOL PART –

    We are to be like Christ.

    Think about it.

    thought about it …. and have no clue, what the author is trying to imply with the above.

  2. on 30 Nov 2012 at 4:14 pmtimothy

    Wolfgang,

    Now try SIT as you think about it.

    Jesus walked through walls with his resurrected spiritual body.

    He calmed seas before his resurrection.

    But I can not find that he found or put “gold” in a fish’s mouth:

    Matthew 17: (kjv)
    27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

    However, Jesu’s faith allowed him to do all three and we have his faith as one of the nine manifestations of holy spirit.

  3. on 30 Nov 2012 at 4:33 pmWolfgang

    @Timothy

    Jesus walked through walls with his resurrected spiritual body.

    chapter and verse ?

    However, Jesu’s faith allowed him to do all three and we have his faith as one of the nine manifestations of holy spirit.

    IF you have Jesus’ faith, why are you not doing likewise as he did? or do you calm seas when the waves get a little bigger than usual?

    It seems to me that some doctrines claiming such things as are intimated in these last statements in the article are incorrect interpretations of scriptural passages in that they do not regard the proper context

  4. on 30 Nov 2012 at 6:18 pmtimothy

    Wolfgang,

    There is no scripture saying Jesus walked through walls, however:

    John 20: (kjv)
    19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

    1) When Noah shut the door of the ARK, did he lock it?

    2) I think, the fear of the Jews would have caused the shut doors to be locked.

    3)How did Jesus get into the room?

  5. on 30 Nov 2012 at 6:19 pmJas

    “What is the intangible force that holds an atom together when the components are of an opposite magnetic charge and by all the rules of science should fly apart with violence? Why is it when a human observes an atom under extreme magnification it resembles the standard model of the nucleus with the spinning electrons revolving around it – BUT, if the human turns away and the same molecule is observed by a video recorder the atom changes into a another form?”

    Ron
    An atom is perfectly defined by real physics where polar opposites are attracted ,not sure where he got this. As far as what the human eye sees compared to a camera is defined by the quality of the camera.
    Trying to define the unknown by inventing a false science is what created all the myths of creation.
    Everything requires a catalyst to change form and the energy within that catalyst is God’s creative force

  6. on 30 Nov 2012 at 7:31 pmTim (aka Antioch)

    I think when he says we are to be like Christ, that he is looking ahead to our post resurrection state.

    The nucleous of an atom consists of protons and neutrons – the protons should not be able to stay together since they are all postive charge – it is the ‘strong force’ that is used to explain why they do not. I think that is what he is referring to.

    I’m guessing that the camera example was an attempt to explain the uncertainty principle but not sure.

  7. on 30 Nov 2012 at 8:11 pmJas

    Tim
    If you understand every creation requires a catalyst and that catalyst is energy then there is nothing unexplained. Considering the main thing mankind has not been able to create or destroy is energy and never will means God’s creative force is pure energy. All God needed to create first was pure elements which held all the energy that was needed . If all the elements were in pure form there would be no light,heat or form.
    physics are a constant when the same catalyst are applied. Energy is the only thing unexplainable if we dont understand God is the sum of all energy and wisdom.

  8. on 30 Nov 2012 at 8:18 pmDoubting Thomas

    I agree Tim (aka Antioch).
    It seems to me that the camera example was an uneducated (layman’s) way of trying to describe the fact that we can’t explain (or comprehend) how the uncertainty principle actually works….

  9. on 05 Dec 2012 at 5:57 pmC.W. Fruth

    Allow me to make some answer to questions posed. As to becoming like Christ there are many scriptures that teach this however the one to follow is the best of them.

    The following is from the Amplified Bible. It is a standard in Christianity to bring full clarity to the Greek words of the text.
    Eph 4:11And His gifts were [varied; He Himself appointed and gave men to us] some to be apostles (special messengers), some prophets (inspired preachers and expounders), some evangelists (preachers of the Gospel, traveling missionaries), some pastors (shepherds of His flock) and teachers.
    12His intention was the perfecting and the full equipping of the saints (His consecrated people), [that they should do] the work of ministering toward building up Christ’s body (the church),
    13[That it might develop] until we all attain oneness in the faith and in the comprehension of the [full and accurate] knowledge of the Son of God, that [we might arrive] at really mature manhood (the completeness of personality which is nothing less than the standard height of Christ’s own perfection), the measure of the stature of the fullness of the Christ and the completeness found in Him.

    Christ himself set up offices within the church to bring us to a place of mature manhood that is NOTHING LESS then Christ’s own perfection. To what measure? The measure of the fullness and completeness found in him.
    Heb 3:19[That you may really come] to know [practically, through experience for yourselves] the love of Christ, which far surpasses mere knowledge [without experience]; that you may be filled [through all your being] unto all the fullness of God [may have the richest measure of the divine Presence, and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself]!
    Does the above verse sound like you heard this before? Sounds like we are to be filled with the Spirit of God like Christ was said to be filled in Col 2:9.
    There is a plan of God instituted by God. In that plan God produced a first fruit and a forerunner example for others to follow. This of course is Jesus the Christ.

    Notice clearly from th context that this is not in heaven or after our resurrection. This is included in the church age by virtue of the offices of the church are still in effect.

  10. on 05 Dec 2012 at 6:07 pmC.W. Fruth

    My “uneducated layman’s” attempt to define the uncertainty principle had little to do with proving one way or another how it worked, but simply to point out that human interaction with the physical realm causes a change in it. Many on here agree that this force behind creation is energy. I would go farther to say that it is not random energy floating around in the cosmos but rather Spirit composed of energy that makes up the consciousness of God. We being made in the image of God and having that same energy dwelling in our bodies can also impact the physical calm.
    And yes this was written simply to an audience that in on Facebook and not in a scientific College.

  11. on 05 Dec 2012 at 6:55 pmJas

    C.W. Fruth
    The problem was with your example which was totally incorrect. When using an example to make a point it helps that the example stand on the subject it is related to.I think everyone understood the end game .
    The one thing that actually separates science from physics is science is the best guess and physics have been proven over and over again.
    I believe energy only comes from God and this is why we can not create it or destroy it .

  12. on 06 Dec 2012 at 3:50 amtimothy

    C.W. Fruth,

    Thanks for your informative post.

    Would you please give a link to the bible text you quoted. It gives a great description of the gift ministries given to the church. 🙂

  13. on 10 Jan 2013 at 4:33 amDavid

    Well,

    Been a while since I’ve posted on here. This should be a very interesting read… looking forward to commenting later.

    One thing that I do know about Quantum Physics and how it pertains to faith is consciousness and awareness… as in being conscious or aware of our identity in Christ, aware of our new found and unshakable righteousness under grace instead of works of the law, aware of the once and for-all sacrifice and no-more sin-consciousnesses. Couldn’t it be understood then, that order to be perfect in conscience, that one would then always have to be mindful of the finished work of Jesus and all of the blessings this adds to us? All He has, he has given to us but we’re not always aware of this. AS HE IS, SO AM I IN THIS WOLRD.

    I know myself did not understand this, and instead was very interested in works and obedience until I had a very real and very awakening encounter with the Holy Spirit that shook me to my very core and opened my eyes… I remember some of my VERY TENACIOUS and long-winded posts on lordship, obedience, and law on this very forum…

    That’s how I think Quantum Physics (as far as consciousness and awareness of the observer), where is our faith? In that we are already made righteous and thus aware and observing our connectivity with the author and finisher of our faith , or are we aware and conscious of our sin and that of others, and thus always working on our own righteousness to become better, and thus putting no faith in the very blood that made us perfect in His eyes apart from any works? This awareness alters how we perceive ourselves, how we perceive and value others, how we see the very world we live in, and how we conduct ourselves.

    Kol Tov,
    -David

  14. on 31 Jan 2018 at 8:43 ammstair

    “Human investigation into the quantum nature of “matter” has now revealed that there is indeed something else. There is something more to reality than traditional scientific investigation can reveal. Our choice (as it has always been) is: What do we rely upon and what do we believe in? Nature, reason and logic, lead us to just settle for the world’s reality – as it is presented to us. The Bible asks us to seek and find something more.”

    Excerpt From: Mike Stair. “On Earth As It Is In Heaven.”

  

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