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Introduction

Without a doubt, one of the most famous verses in the New Testament is John 14:6. The context of that verse is that Jesus is speaking to his disciples, about salvation. The English Standard Version of the Bible translates that verse as follows:

John 14:6 (ESV):

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

That verse is very profound, of course – it tells us that the only way for us to approach God is to go through Jesus. In other words, there are no other ways for people to be saved, other than through Jesus.

Jesus made a very similar statement in John 17:3. In that verse, Jesus is praying to our Heavenly Father, about his disciples:

John 17:3 (ESV):

And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

The apostles also made many statements, which reaffirm the necessity of Jesus in salvation. Here are a few of them:

Acts 4:11-12 (ESV):

11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (ESV):

For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 (ESV):

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

All of the above passages speak of the necessity of Jesus’ sacrifice, in our salvation. In other words, all of those verses tell us that the sacrifice of Jesusnot anything else – is what gives people the opportunity to be granted everlasting life.

Those verses raise another question, though – a question about their “ramifications”. In other words, the question has to do with the “practical consequences” of the above verses.

For example, John 14:6 tells us that Jesus is the only way to salvation. The question is: what does that mean that people have to do, in order to be saved?

In other words, what relevance does John 14:6 have to people’s actions, if people want to be saved?

From my experience, there are two main doctrines about this issue. In other words, there are two main ideas about how John 14:6 affects people’s salvation. Those two doctrines are described below.

 

The “Mainstream” Doctrine

Historically, most mainstream Christian denominations have held this type of belief, about John 14:6:

In order for a person to be saved, he must believe that Jesus is the Christ, during his lifetime. If a person dies, without ever acknowledging that Jesus is the Christ, then that person will never be saved.

In other words, our brief lifetimes – in this current age – comprise our only opportunity for salvation. So, if a person’s life ends, before he comes to believe in Jesus, then his hope for salvation is permanently forfeit.

Of course, during the 2,000 years since Jesus walked the earth, millions of people have lived and died, without ever hearing about him. In other words, those people had no idea about Jesus, during their entire lives – and as a result, those people never had any opportunity to believe that Jesus is the Christ.

According to the “mainstream” doctrine, above, all of those people will never be saved – because those people never believed in Jesus during their lifetimes. Of course, it was impossible for those people to believe in Jesus – because they never heard about him!

As a result, the mainstream doctrine basically states the following: Every person who never heard about Jesus will never be saved. In other words, all of those people will be condemned to everlasting deathsolely because no one ever told them about Jesus.

So, is the above doctrine consistent with Scripture? In other words, does Scripture tell us that God only wants people who have heard about Jesus to be saved? Consider the following verses:

1 Timothy 2:3-4 (ESV):

This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 3:9 (ESV):

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

The above verses tell us that God wants everyone to be saved – i.e., He does not want anyone to perish. That certainly seems to indicate that God wants people who never heard about Jesus to be saved – just like He wants people who did hear about Jesus to be saved.

Some groups claim that the phrase “all people” listed in 1 Timothy 2:4 does not actually refer to all people. Instead, they claim that that verse (as well as 2 Peter 3:9) only refers to people who currently believe in Jesus. In other words, they assert that the “all people” in 1 Timothy 2:4 only refers to “all Christians“.

So, is that assertion true? As it turns out, the phrase “all people” occurs in another passage in 1 Timothy as well:

1 Timothy 4:10 (ESV):

10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

The above verse makes it clear that “all people” actually refers to every single personnot just to every Christian. This is clear because the verse states that God is the savior of all people – especially (but not only) of those people who believe.

As a result, the mainstream doctrine does not appear to be consistent with Scripture. This is because the mainstream doctrine claims that people who never heard about Jesus will never have any opportunity to be saved – but Scripture explicitly states that God wants all people to be saved.

Therefore, it certainly does not appear correct that God will permanently exclude people, who never heard about Jesus, from any opportunity for salvation.

 

The “Live and Let Live”  Doctrine

There is another doctrine about John 14:6 as well. This doctrine tends to be prevalent among more “progressive” Christian groups. In essence, this doctrine states the following:

The sacrifice of Jesus – by itself – is what allows people to be saved. In other words, that sacrifice – alone – allows people to gain everlasting life – regardless of whether people believe that Jesus is the Christ.

In other words, this doctrine states that it is not necessary for anyone to believe that Jesus is the Christ. Instead, people can believe whatever they want; because the sacrifice of Jesus – all by itself – allows a person to obtain everlasting life.

In essence, this doctrine asserts the following: As long as a person sincerely tries to love his neighbor, then he will be saved – because that will allow the person to be “covered” by the sacrifice of Jesus. This is true whether or not the person actually believes in Jesus.

So, for obvious reasons, I refer to this doctrine as the “live and let live” doctrine. Basically, this doctrine states that as long as we all try to be “nice” to each other, we will all be granted eternal life – no matter what we believe.

To be fair, there are some passages in Scripture, which proponents of this doctrine use to try to advance their position. Here are two such passages:

Matthew 19:16-19 (ESV):

16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Romans 2:13-16 (ESV):

13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

In the first passage, Jesus gives the man a list of commandments that he must follow, in order to obtain everlasting life. Most notable among them is the commandment to “love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18).

In the second passage, the apostle Paul tells us that in some cases, Gentiles follow the principles of the law – even though they have never heard the law. That, in turn, demonstrates that the law is “written in their hearts” – i.e., those Gentiles are following the commandments because it is part of their “conscience”, or “personality”.

Some proponents of this “live and let live” doctrine assert the following, about the above two passages:

Jesus gave us a list of commandments that we must follow to obtain everlasting life; and Paul told us that some Gentiles follow those commandments, even though they never heard them. That, in turn, indicates that people can obey the commandments – and be saved – even if they do not accept Jesus as the Christ.

So, is the above assertion correct? Is it actually possible to obtain everlasting life solely by trying to love your neighbor – without believing that Jesus is the Christ?

First of all, there are many other passages in Scripture which tell us that belief in Jesus is required, in order to obtain everlasting life. For example, consider these passages:

John 3:16 (ESV):

16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 20:30-31 (ESV):

30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

In addition, Scripture tells us that everyone needs to acknowledge Jesus as our Lord (not just a “subset” of people who believe in him):

Philippians 2:9-11 (ESV):

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Finally, if belief in Jesus is not required for salvation, then there is absolutely no reason for anyone to spread the gospel about Jesus to the world. In other words, if people can believe whatever they want – and still be saved – then there is no need for them to hear about Jesus.

Of course, Scripture is abundantly clear that the whole world must hear about Jesus. In fact, the next age cannot begin, until the gospel has been spread to the whole world. As a result, Jesus commanded the apostles to spread the gospel – and the apostles spend their lives doing just that.

In addition, Scripture explicitly states that people must hear about Jesus, in order for people to be saved. That completely contradicts the idea that people can believe whatever they want, and still be saved. Consider these verses:

Matthew 24:14 (ESV):

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Matthew 28:19-20 (ESV):

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Acts 5:42 (ESV):

42 And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they [the apostles] did not cease teaching and preaching that the Christ is Jesus.

Acts 28:30 (ESV):

30 He [Paul] lived there two whole years at his own expense, and welcomed all who came to him, 31 proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness and without hindrance.

Romans 10:14-15 (ESV):

14 How then will they call on him [Jesus] in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”

As a result, this “live and let live” doctrine does not appear to be correct. In other words, Scripture tells us that salvation is not just a matter of trying to love your neighbor – belief in Jesus is also required.

 

A Third Alternative

As listed above, there are two main doctrines about John 14:6:

– One doctrine states that a person must believe that Jesus is the Christ, during this current age. If the person dies, without believing that Jesus is the Christ, then he will be condemned to eternal death – even if he never heard about Jesus.

– The other doctrine states that belief in Jesus is not required at all for salvation – all that is required is that people try to love their neighbors. If a person does that, then he will be “covered” by the sacrifice of Jesus – regardless of whether he believes that Jesus is the Christ.

From my understanding, neither of those doctrines is supported by Scripture. The first doctrine asserts that everyone must believe in Jesus during this current age; but millions of people never heard about Jesus during this age – and as a result, it was not possible for those people to believe in him. The second doctrine states that believe in Jesus is not required for salvation; but Scripture states that belief in Jesus is required – and besides, if belief in Jesus was not required, then there would not have been any reason for the apostles to spread the gospel.

So, is there any alternative, to the above two doctrines? In particular, is there any doctrine which can explain the overall salvation process, in a way that is consistent with the entire body of Scripture?

From what I can see, the following doctrine appears to correlate with all of Scripture. In other words, this doctrine recognizes the requirement to believe in Jesus, in order to be saved; and it also recognizes the fact that God wants everyone to be saved – even those people who never heard about Jesus during this current age.

Here is a brief synopsis of this doctrine:

– When Jesus returns, he will resurrect people who followed him during this age; and he will immediately grant those followers immortal life.

– In addition, at some point after Jesus returns, people who never heard about Jesus will also be resurrected. However, those people will be resurrected with mortal life – i.e., life similar to what we have right now.

– Then, those people will be given a limited period of time, to learn about Jesus – and to develop faith in him. I refer to this period of time as their “judgment period”.

– If those people become followers of Jesus during that period, then they will be granted everlasting life. However, if those people explicitly refuse to follow Jesus during that period, then their lives will simply end.

This doctrine appears to be consistent with the entire body of Scripture. On one hand, this doctrine affirms the requirement to believe in Jesus, in order to obtain everlasting life. On the other hand, the doctrine also allows people who never heard about Jesus during this age to be saved – because it allows those people the opportunity to hear about Jesus in the next age.

I refer to the above doctrine as the “Kingdom Age Salvation” doctrine – because it allows for some people to be saved during the age to come.

As it turns out, there is another post on this site, which goes into more detail about this “Kingdom Age Salvation” doctrine. That post can be found at the following URL:

http://lhim.org/blog/2011/12/11/is-any-knowledge-required-for-salvation/

 

Conclusion

The two primary doctrines listed above – the “mainstream” doctrine, and the “live and let live” doctrine – highlight two separate areas of overall Christian belief. The mainstream doctrine highlights the requirement for people to believe in Jesus, during this age, in order to be saved – while the “live and let live” doctrine highlights the importance of loving one’s neighbor, as a part of salvation. Of course, both of those areas are extremely important; but both of those areas are not – by themselves – consistent with the entire body of Scripture.

To a certain extent, this overall issue reminds me of the Jewish rejection of Jesus, as listed in the Gospels. Basically, some Jews did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, because those Jews were completely focused on the Scriptural verses that speak of the Messiah as the “conquering king”, who will restore the kingdom of Israel. In other words, those Jews basically “ignored” the Scriptural verses that refer to the Messiah as the “suffering servant”, who would be rejected by his people – and who would die for their sins.

So, I hope that this post will encourage everyone to investigate the entire body of Scripture, when you are trying to find answers to questions about God!

 

27 Responses to “The “Ramifications” of John 14:6”

  1. on 10 Mar 2013 at 9:25 amWolfgang

    Hi there

    Here is a brief synopsis of this doctrine:

    – When Jesus returns, he will resurrect people who followed him during this age; and he will immediately grant those followers immortal life.

    – In addition, at some point after Jesus returns, people who never heard about Jesus will also be resurrected. However, those people will be resurrected with mortal life – i.e., life similar to what we have right now.

    – Then, those people will be given a limited period of time, to learn about Jesus – and to develop faith in him. I refer to this period of time as their “judgment period”.

    – If those people become followers of Jesus during that period, then they will be granted everlasting life. However, if those people explicitly refuse to follow Jesus during that period, then their lives will simply end.

    This doctrine appears to be consistent with the entire body of Scripture.

    so then where is this resurrection of those who have never heard about Jesus mentioned in Scripture? does Scripture not place the resurrection of those who have previously died “in the last day” (cp Joh 6:39-40,44,54; Joh 11:24) ?
    it appears rather that this idea of a “Kingdom Age Salvation” is not found in Scripture, thus how is such a doctrine to be consistent with the entire body of Scripture?

    While the other two mentioned doctrines indeed appear to have their flaws as well, the solution to the dilemma does not seem to be in the third assumed doctrine either ….

  2. on 10 Mar 2013 at 11:42 amJas

    John 14:6 (ESV):

    6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    Brian
    This is very understandable verse if you understand the purpose of a mediator which Jesus will be at the Great White Throne Judgement. Nobody who denies Jesus as their mediator will come before judgement to be able to receive eternal life. It would take a very arrogant or very deceived person to deny Grace but there will be some cast away.

  3. on 10 Mar 2013 at 12:04 pmWolfgang

    Brian,

    a question arises regarding your article: What about the so-called OT saints (the folks who were God-fearing and who lived prior to the man Jesus arriving on the scene), who quite obviously did not know anything about a “Jesus of Nazareth” seeing that such name or details about the person had not even been revealed by God in their days?

    What faith in what or regarding what was accounted to them for righteousness (cp what Scripture tells about Abraham in this regard)? Of which of the supposedly different “resurrections” (“resurrection” events) will they be a part, seeing that they had never heard anything about a man from Nazareth by the name of Jesus?

  4. on 10 Mar 2013 at 8:19 pmTim (aka Antioch)

    Brian,

    Thanks for the article. I have come to much the same notion that between the first death and the second death, there is a period of time where all people will have unfettered access to the truth to make a decision. Maybe that is the millenial reign?

    I agree with Wolfgang that there isn’t any strong scripture pointing to this, but then again, I don’t see that there is anything that says it won’t happen that way.

    Wasn’t the first coming of Messiah clouded in mystery in the OT? While there were a few passages that spoke of his suffering, the common understanding was that Messiah would restore the earthly kingdom of Israel. I see it as an analogy to our common understanding of today about the end times – it would not surprise me that the common understanding is way off on that as well.

  5. on 10 Mar 2013 at 8:56 pmJas

    Tim
    I agree there will be a point between 1st death and 2nd death to where all will be shown the truth but I see this after the millennium when Jesus gathers all the dead and those still alive after the 1st resurrection right before judgement. This will give everyone the chance to accept Jesus as their mediator who is the only way to this judgement that eternal life comes from. I think this revealing of the truth is Grace.

  6. on 10 Mar 2013 at 10:38 pmTim (aka Antioch)

    Jas,

    What do you see as the purpose for the millenial reign, if only a subset of all that have existed will experience it?

  7. on 10 Mar 2013 at 10:45 pmJas

    Tim
    I see it as the fulfillment of the land promise to Abraham ,Isaac ,Jacob ,Joseph and those of Israel and those joined by entering and maintaining a Covenant relationship according to the Words of the Covenants.

  8. on 11 Mar 2013 at 6:00 amWolfgang

    Tim

    I have come to much the same notion that between the first death and the second death, there is a period of time where all people will have unfettered access to the truth to make a decision.

    would you clarify what you mean with “all people will have unfettered access to the truth” ? Do people now only have “fettered access” to the truth? how are people now “fettered” ? which “all people” do you have in view?

  9. on 11 Mar 2013 at 8:48 amJas

    Wolfgang
    Can’t answer for Tim but All people are every person that has ever lived. I believe the whole truth will be revealed before judgement, this would be the action of a loving God who allowed deception and only gave his word to certain nations.

  10. on 11 Mar 2013 at 9:52 amWolfgang

    Jas,

    so actually then, (1) what folks here now decide doesn’t really matter because they have the excuse that they were not “undisturbed” or “the whole truth had not been revealed”, etc … and (2) all will then believe and love God and be saved … (also, because it was God’s fault in the here and now for allowing them to deceived) …

    I regard such ideas as you propose above as unscriptural.

  11. on 11 Mar 2013 at 10:10 amJas

    Wolfgang
    Most people here are seeking the truth and the 1st resurrection. If I fall short of both it will be because of deception. But probably 90% of humanity never had the chance to even hear Gods word .So you do you feel that these people should not receive Grace?

  12. on 11 Mar 2013 at 10:17 amWolfgang

    Jas

    But probably 90% of humanity never had the chance to even hear Gods word .So you do you feel that these people should not receive Grace?

    while indeed many people never had the chance to hear God’s Word (cp. for example all those folks who lived prior to the first books of the OT being written), does that mean they did not have a chance to acknowledge God and God’s plan for man?

    Seems to me that man certainly at all times had a chance to acknowledge Almighty God and to have faith in Him and His plan

    No need for assumptions over assumptions about supposedly future events which nobody can know anything about anyways … or can you know the future?

  13. on 11 Mar 2013 at 10:54 amJas

    Wolfgang
    When did a new born baby have the chance before it died? Not only before the OT was written but even after, even present day there are those who never heard that there was a God of Abraham.
    I can know there are future events still yet to happen and have a pretty good idea what it will be like in these future events by accepting the revelations God gave the Prophets which you deny.

  14. on 11 Mar 2013 at 11:46 amJas

    Wolfgang
    What are the requirements for being changed in the blink of an eye does your belief have?
    Do muslims, hindu ,buddhists ,do millennial belivers all of which practice brotherly love and are a law unto themselves receive this changing in your belief .

  15. on 11 Mar 2013 at 6:29 pmJaco

    Wolfgang,

    I have found you to be quick at pointing out what you perceive to be flaws in others’ arguments while you hardly ever provide a working model of your own. It is indeed the easy, and often, the feeble way out. It belongs to those with courage to advance a position and a coherent argument – you have something to learn from them…

  16. on 11 Mar 2013 at 6:56 pmJas

    “What do you see as the purpose for the millenial reign, if only a subset of all that have existed will experience it?”

    Tim
    I consider receiving eternal life as the greater promise so if only a subset enter the millennial kingdom of restored Israel even if I dont achieve it is ok by me. It was those of the Covenants that enabled Jesus’ blood to stay pure of Cains and Jesus’ was perfect in the Word of the Covenants which brought about Grace.

    Galatians 3:15
    NET © Brothers and sisters, 1 I offer an example from everyday life: 2 When a covenant 3 has been ratified, 4 even though it is only a human contract, no one can set it aside or add anything to it.

    A lot of people claim the Mosaic Covenant that also promised full fulfillment of the land promise to Abraham could be annulled but as you see Paul states not even a human contract can be annulled So God is bound to honor this promise to all it was made which the requirements were accepting and an effort to obey the Words of the Covenants. But this doesn’t effect other promises made to Abraham that his seed would bring a blessing to All the families of the earth by bringing about Grace

  17. on 11 Mar 2013 at 10:18 pmTim (aka Antioch)

    Wolfgang,

    With respect to ‘fettered access to the truth’, I see it as what Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 13:9+. ‘Now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face’. We all argue ceaselessly about ‘the truth’ now because so much is not clear. I don’t expect that will be the case when Jesus returns for we will have access to him and to the Father, no? And won’t he teach what is truth? Will there still be 30,000 plus denominations when the second death is past? I don’t think so. That is what I mean by access to the truth. We don’t have the full truth now, not even the saints – even less non-believers.

  18. on 12 Mar 2013 at 3:28 amWolfgang

    Jas

    When did a new born baby have the chance before it died?

    for what did a new born baby need such chance? has it committed sin so that it would need a chance to repent or be saved? Seems to me that you are perhaps adhereing to the false doctrine of “inherited sin”?

    Not only before the OT was written but even after, even present day there are those who never heard that there was a God of Abraham.

    Yes, they may never have heard of Abraham or a God of Abraham or a Jesus of Nazareth … but all had and have the chance to know that the LORD God Almighty is the Creator of heaven and earth and that He is to be worshipped and loved … I would think that what Paul expounds on in the early chapters of Romans addresses the issue.

    I see no scripture for assuming that folks will be raised in the future to “get a second chance”

    I can know there are future events still yet to happen and have a pretty good idea what it will be like in these future events by accepting the revelations God gave the Prophets which you deny.

  19. on 12 Mar 2013 at 3:31 amWolfgang

    Jas

    When did a new born baby have the chance before it died?

    for what did a new born baby need such chance? has it committed sin so that it would need a chance to repent or be saved? Seems to me that you are perhaps adhereing to the false doctrine of “inherited sin”?

    Not only before the OT was written but even after, even present day there are those who never heard that there was a God of Abraham.

    Yes, they may never have heard of Abraham or a God of Abraham or a Jesus of Nazareth … but all had and have the chance to know that the LORD God Almighty is the Creator of heaven and earth and that He is to be worshipped and loved … I would think that what Paul expounds on in the early chapters of Romans addresses the issue.

    I see no scripture for assuming that folks will be raised in the future to “get a second chance”

    I can know there are future events still yet to happen and have a pretty good idea what it will be like in these future events by accepting the revelations God gave the Prophets which you deny.

    So I am denying the revelation God gave the prophets just because I am denying your perhaps fanciful interpretation of a passage in the prophets which the text itself does not support?

  20. on 12 Mar 2013 at 3:32 amWolfgang

    #18 should be deleted by a moderator … was accidentally sent before I had finished it

  21. on 12 Mar 2013 at 7:42 amWolfgang

    Tim,

    With respect to ‘fettered access to the truth’, I see it as what Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 13:9+. ‘Now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face’. We all argue ceaselessly about ‘the truth’ now because so much is not clear. I don’t expect that will be the case when Jesus returns for we will have access to him and to the Father, no? And won’t he teach what is truth? Will there still be 30,000 plus denominations when the second death is past? I don’t think so. That is what I mean by access to the truth. We don’t have the full truth now, not even the saints – even less non-believers.

    is Paul speaking about a scenario that now we cannot fully know the truth and therefore cannot “really” believe in Christ and make a proper decision but will get that perfect “second chance” to believe later when we can know the truth fully and then all will believe in Christ and be saved?
    or is Paul speaking about the scenario that people during their earthly life have the opportunity and can have sufficient knowledge about God and Christ to believe in Christ and make their decision and those who have made their decision will then later “see face to face”?

    My reading of Scripture leads me to believe in the second scenario …. those who now believe in Christ are the ones who will see face to face. It is NOT that those who now don’t recognize God and don’t believe are given a second chance and even better opportunity with perfect conditions and thus would have a definite advantage over those who now believed in imperfect conditions …

  22. on 12 Mar 2013 at 8:26 amJas

    “for what did a new born baby need such chance?”

    I believe the topic was having the truth revealed not whether they sinned .But again you avoid, when will the truth be revealed.Will a child who dies automatically enter heaven without the truth. If so why not people who never heard the truth. why do we need the truth?

  23. on 12 Mar 2013 at 9:27 amJas

    “So I am denying the revelation God gave the prophets just because I am denying your perhaps fanciful interpretation of a passage in the prophets which the text itself does not support?”

    Wolfgang
    How is accepting the words of the prophets when speaking of very understandable things a fanciful interpretation . Yes there are some passages that have figurative language but mostly they speak of literal places here on earth. I wouldnt say yours were even fanciful interpretations, I cant see where they even apply to the passages.

  24. on 12 Mar 2013 at 9:45 amSarah

    Tim (aka Antioch),

    I don’t expect that will be the case when Jesus returns for we will have access to him and to the Father, no? And won’t he teach what is truth? Will there still be 30,000 plus denominations when the second death is past? I don’t think so. That is what I mean by access to the truth. We don’t have the full truth now, not even the saints – even less non-believers.

    I’ve been thinking about this subject a lot lately. And I agree, the Millennial Age is the era when truth is fully available. I see it as the era during which all the false ideas about God are finally corrected so that everyone is without excuse. Now that I’ve realized the extent of the theological confusion out there today, I am looking forward to it more than ever. These verses come to mind:

    Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

    Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.

    Mic 4:2 and many nations shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

  25. on 12 Mar 2013 at 9:57 amJas

    “I’ve been thinking about this subject a lot lately. And I agree, the Millennial Age is the era when truth is fully available. I see it as the era during which all the false ideas about God are finally corrected so that everyone is without excuse. Now that I’ve realized the extent of the theological confusion out there today, I am looking forward to it more than ever. These verses come to mind:”

    Sarah
    What about
    20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished.) 12 This is the first resurrection.
    When will these be revealed the truth?

  26. on 12 Mar 2013 at 10:11 amSarah

    Good question, Jas. Still pondering…

  27. on 12 Mar 2013 at 10:41 amJas

    Sarah
    In some of the other articles by Brian he has put forth an option that there will be other nations continuing into the millennial age. I agree and feel these are the ones in Mic 4:2 and are also the ones who satan deceives after the millennium .I believe those of the 1st resurrection are those of the OT who always offered sin sacrifices with faith that there would come the perfection of them in the sacrifice of Jesus and also entered into a Covenant relationship with God and those of the NT who use Jesus’ sacrifice to do the same and enter into a Covenant relationship by ratifying with the blood of Jesus. I think we must accept and make an effort to obey the Words of the Covenants and if we fall short we can still use the passover meal as our personal sin sacrifice but only the way Jesus instructed in his last supper. But this is just what I see because I dont think I myself have been accounted the righteousness for the 1st resurrection and feel I have overlooked or am missing something. This is my drive in my studies.

  

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