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Chris Date is the host of the fascinating Theopologetics podcast as well as one of the major contributors to the Rethinking Hell podcast. He is a sharp thinker with a fair-minded and humble attitude. Below I have included links to two of his moderated debates on hell. In both of them Chris shows how verses typically used to teach that hell involves the eternal torment of the damned really teach otherwise. Sadly, neither of Chris’ opponents offered really strong biblical cases for eternal torment, so they were both a tad one-sided. Even so, I found that listening to Chris’ case was extremely informative and helpful for my own thinking on this subject.

I received this update email on future screenings for the Hell and Mr. Fudge movie. If you live in or near any of the listed cities, try to make it to the viewing and bring as many friends and relatives as you can. To find out more information on any of these, contact Jim Wood at jww@me.com.

Coordinated screenings in at least twenty cities are scheduled for January/February 2013. This limited release involves ‘”four-walling” — renting theaters — with the support of local individuals, congregations, etc.

While schedules are not yet nailed down, Hell and Mr. Fudge will definitely play in theaters in just a few weeks. Cities include:

Hell and Mr. Fudge is a movie about Edward Fudge and his discovery that the biblical teaching about hell contradicts the traditional view of eternal torment. I just received an update about two showings in the near future. If you live near Chicago or Nashville, you gotta go!


Chicago Area
Saturday, Sept. 29 at 3:00 PM
Naperville Church of Christ
Naperville, IL
Email jww@me.com for more information.

Nashville Area
Monday, Oct. 1 at 6:45 PM
Harpeth Community Church
Franklin, TN
Email doug.arogos@gmail.com for more information.

All welcome. No tickets or passes required. Seating may be limited, so plan to arrive early.

Rethinking Hell Podcast

Chris Date, one of the contributors to RethinkingHell.com, has just launched a fantastic podcast. He kicked it off by interviewing Edward Fudge on his new book Hell: A Final Word. After this two part interview, he spoke to John Stackhouse of Regent College in Vancouver, Canada. Stackhouse, like Fudge, is a bible-believing evangelical who, because of Scripture, felt compelled to abandon his old view of hell as eternal torment and embrace instead an annihilationist perspective (i.e. those thrown into hell on judgment day will perish and see to exist). I see Chris has just put up the fourth episode to the podcast with Glenn Peoples in an effort to put forth a positive case for annihilationism. Also, my friend, John Roller, made it on the tail end of the second podcast, giving his own testimony. So, if you have an mp3 player or iPod, and the subject of hell is interesting to you, be sure to sign up to get the free podcast. Here the links below:

Hell and Mr. Fudge Movie

So they are making a movie about Edward Fudge and his discovery that hell is a place yet to be established rather than currently existing and it consumes what is thrown into it rather than keeping people alive to torment forever. The movie depicts the various struggles and tribulations Fudge went through for questioning one of mainstream Christianity’s most beloved dogmas.

I can’t wait until it comes out and sincerely hope it makes it all the way up to New York! I love the thought of a movie showing the courage and tenacity it takes to stand up for truth even when it costs you everything.

by Patrick Navas

I just finished reading Edward Fudge’s newest work, A Final Word on Hell, a book that, in my opinion, needs to be read by every professing “evangelical” and Bible-believing Christian. How any Christian could read this book carefully and still come away believing that the traditional doctrine of never-ending-torture is biblical is, truly, mind-boggling—though experience tells me that such would prove to be so in the case of most traditional pastors, preachers and church-goers.

Finally, after way too long of a delay since posting the first third (about Jesus) of my lengthy paper entitled “A Common Sense Approach to the Biblical Presentation of Jesus, Death, & THE Devil”, here is the 2nd main topic – DEATH.

Like the first section on Jesus (started on KR here: Biblical Common Sense – Intro – What & Why), this has several sub-sections that are best published in smaller, easier to read sections here on KR.  So for my next several posts, I’ll add the sections that follow one another.  I’ll also try to provide all the links at the end of each post to the entire series just for reference.

© 2011 Matthew Elton

Two Views: Eternal Torture vs. Soul Sleep

According to a popularized Christian belief, when a person dies his or her soul departs from the body and either floats up to a place of eternal paradise (heaven) or down to a place of eternal torture (hell). This belief has become so widely accepted among Christians that it is often assumed that it must have originated in the Bible.

What is the most well known Bible verse in all of Christianity?

People who grew up through the Seventies and Eighties might reply with John 3:16 – especially if you went to or watched any televised football games during that time period. I fondly recall seeing signs and banners like the photo above being displayed by people in the end zone sections of games for years and years.  Plus it was always a staple verse of instruction/memorization in Sunday School, Vacation Bible School and summer church camp classes everywhere. I imagine if you took a poll of mainstream Christianity and asked about John 3:16, a great many people could quote it back to you verbatim.

This is something that has popped into my head here and there for some time now.  And I’ve read other answers to this kind of question out on the web (see links below).  But I wanted to ask it in more of a theological setting to see what others here could add to the subject. Please note that I’m not trying to be callous regarding death and the intense emotions it brings.  As an only child who lost both parents at a young age, that vile enemy death has had a far-reaching and deeply emotional effect on my own life.

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