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I was raised in a denomination which took some comfort in the fact that only a tiny number of people held to their doctrinal distinctives and that “the Truth” had been hidden from almost all Christians. After all, didn’t Jesus say “Many are called but few are chosen”?

Indeed, in two places in Matthew’s Gospel we read of Jesus saying these words (Matthew 20:16; 22:14). Yet this saying appears to be contrary to the idea of God’s overflowing generosity which we see repeatedly throughout Jesus’ teachings. It appears that Jesus is saying that only a small number of people are actually chosen by God to enjoy His Kingdom and that even many of those who respond to His invitation will be rejected. This is so radically different from the rest of Jesus’ teachings that we need to look at this saying carefully in its context.

In actual fact Jesus is only recorded as saying these words on one occasion. While the King James Version also places them at Matthew 20:16, most translations do not include it here. It seems that the KJV is based on a manuscript which incorrectly included the saying here, as the best and most ancient manuscripts omit it.

So we need to look at the one place where Jesus used these words: at the end of the parable about the wedding feast (Matthew 22:14).

This is quite different to another parable about a wedding recorded in Luke 14:16-24 so we shouldn’t confuse the two. A dominant theme in Matthew’s Gospel is the inclusion of the Gentiles in the people of God because of Israel’s rejection of Jesus as the Messiah. This is highlighted in the words “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit” (Matthew 21:43). It is this message which is being emphasized in this parable.

The parable is in two parts. In the first part (verses 1-10) the people who are invited to the wedding ignore the invitation so the invitation is extended to anyone the king’s servants can find – good or bad – so the wedding hall is filled with guests. The message here is clearly a reference to Israel’s rejection of their Messiah, and therefore His kingdom, and the invitation going to the Gentiles instead.

The second part of the story (vv. 11-14) has a very unexpected twist. The king notices one guest without an appropriate wedding garment, and has him bound and thrown outside. There are two unusual features of this twist.

(1) It seems strange that someone who was invited at very short notice would be criticized for not dressing appropriately; and

(2) the consequences seem overly harsh in the circumstances.

However, this is no ordinary wedding: it is the King’s son! It would have been a great honour to have been invited and it seems that everyone else had time to dress appropriately. So the harsh treatment of the one person who didn’t take the honour seriously may not have been overly harsh after all (although we must remember that Jesus often used exaggeration for emphasis).

The story ends then with the punchline: “For many are invited, but few are chosen” (verse 14). If many people were thrown out of the wedding hall and only a few allowed to remain then this saying would clearly refer to those who remained for the banquet. However, in the story many stay for the banquet and only one is rejected. If this saying referred to the fact that one person was “not chosen” because he wasn’t properly dressed then it would have been more accurate to say “many are invited and most are chosen, but a few will be rejected”. Obviously Jesus has something else in mind.

A parable usually has one main point, or two at the most. The closing line, the “punch line” (also called the “end-stress”), relates to this main point. In this story the main point is that the people who were originally invited to the wedding banquet rejected this invitation and therefore others were invited in their place. The final line takes us back to this point. Many people make the mistake of interpreting this line to mean “many are called (from the world), but few are chosen (from those who are called)”. This interpretation has no connection to the context.

The “many” who are called, or invited, refers to the second group to be invited. The story makes it clear that a large number were included in this second invitation. “’Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.” On the other hand the first group appears to be relatively small: “one to his field, another to his business”. So the saying is better interpreted “many are called (from the world) but few are chosen (from the world)” and there is a contrast between being called and being chosen (there is possibly even a play on words in the Greek, where the word “called” or ‘invited” is kletos and the word chosen is eklektos).

The word “chosen” (Greek eklektos) has the meaning of being “picked out”. It is a great honour to be “chosen” or “hand-picked”. In this story the ones who were “hand-picked” to be at the wedding banquet were those who were initially invited. From all the people in his realm the king chose these people to celebrate with him on this special occasion. But they treated this honour with contempt, and so they too were rejected.

The person in the second part of the story had a similar attitude. Although he came to the wedding he did not take the honour seriously of being invited to such a special occasion. He was very casual in his attitude, and in this way was similar to those earlier who casually chose to carry on with their business rather than answer the king’s summons.

We could paraphrase it this way: “It is a great privilege to be invited, and many have been invited; but it is an even greater honour to be hand-picked, and only a few have that honour – so don’t take it lightly.”

This story emphasizes the great honour which is offered to us when God invites us to the celebration in the kingdom of His Son. Israel suffered severely because they rejected that honour, and those who come into the church “casually” without considering what an enormous honour it is will also be treated severely. While we are saved by grace we must never take grace lightly. We have been given a wonderful privilege.

171 Responses to ““Many are called but few are chosen””

  1. on 20 Oct 2007 at 9:07 amJohnO


    I have to disagree that this parable is talking about rejection of Israel and replacement of the Gentiles. I recently wrote an article on these very parables (here Sept/Oct 2007)

    I have been meaning to take a deeper look at “chosen” and divine election in the NT. But three cursory points can be made. It seems that 1) election is always a corporate action, and 2) it revolves around God’s actions, and 3) it isn’t irrespective of people’s will.

    Therefore, when God chooses someone, it does not mean that he has unilaterally declared a change of status or anything. It simply means that God has acted in special way. When God chose Israel out of Egypt (cited in the article) he acted in plagues and miracles. Here in the parable, the master has acted in a special way to regain his honor and have his house full.

  2. on 20 Oct 2007 at 11:12 amDustin

    Arent we all “called” with the gospel message but depending on our response, few are “chosen?”


  3. on 21 Oct 2007 at 9:31 amWolfgang

    Hi Dustin, and all

    I tend to understand the terms “called” and “chosen” used in these passages in the way you describe above.

    I do not quite see from the text what seems to be suggested above, that God “choses” some and not others or “hand picks” some but only “generally calls” the larger crowd, etc ….such an idea is “fine and dandy” and sounds “real great” as long as you assume and include yourself to be among the “chosen” …. I doubt those who propagate such an idea would be as happy to tell that story if they were among the called and not the chosen ?


  4. on 21 Oct 2007 at 4:46 pmSteve


    I think you may have missed my point that this parable alludes to Israel’s rejection of the Messiah, and not to God’s rejection of Israel. I agree with the thrust of your article that this parable targets the corrupt religious leadership of Israel.

    The “chosen” in this parable are the people who were first called to attend the wedding. There was no suggestion on my part that this parable is about “rejection of Israel and replacement of the Gentiles”. To the contrary, I made the point that to be “chosen” or “hand-picked” is a great honour. As God’s elect, His chosen people, Israel was given this honour. Rather than God rejecting Israel, Israel’s leadership rejected God’s Messiah. The invitation to attend the wedding then went out to all and sundry.

    Wolfgang, from the interpretation I gave above I would have to include myself in the “called” category rather than the “chosen”. Israel was chosen as God’s elect people, but as a goy I am in the class of people who were later invited to the Kingdom – I am called, but not chosen, and am delighted to have been invited. I think you missed my point.

  5. on 05 Jul 2011 at 8:42 amMark

    To be chosen requires spiritual gifting and understanding, the Word of God is the foundation to identify and compare with. Foreknowledge of future events, edification of peoples, encouragement of peoples, and seeing shortrange and longrange are just basic qualifications, God gave the chosen gifts for serving. I was Identified chosen 4 years back by a Israeli prophet, It is very easy to spot a true prophet, offbeat emotions and humor is one example because they do not act or pretend, To be chosen you are elected with a task/purpose by God, visions of future events doesn,t make you chosen but visions of your purpose in future events yes, To be chosen for salvation is an instruction by God to do His work, “Faith in Christ opens the door to salvation, but the road to salvation requires purpose through the body(example) of Christ.

  6. on 17 Oct 2012 at 7:47 amLeah

    Its unjust that God chooses some and not others. Predestination is cruel.

  7. on 19 Oct 2012 at 1:16 pmAllen

    As I see it, all of Gods people are called, but only those who will rule and reign with Christ are chosen. When Jesus preached, he preached to Gods people, those who were redeemed and under a covenant. Paul later recieved the revelation of how gentiles, who were outside of this covenant, were to be brought into the blessings of Abraham through faith in the promises. I believe that the Bible display a paradigm that if properly understood, will shed considerable light and consistency to our beliefs. When Jesus spoke with Nicodemus, he touched on two topics that were revealed in the Old Testament, entrance into the Kingdom, and eternal life. Nicodemus, being a teacher of Israel should have known that entrance into the Kingdom required resurrection, this was the hope of Israel and was seen in the Old Testament, especially Ezekiel in the Dry bones passage in chapter 37. The concept of resurrection used in John 3 is strikingly similar to the same concept used by Paul in 1 Corintians 15, earthly or flesh bodies contrasted with Heavenly spiritual bodies.

    Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
    Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
    Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? “Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

    So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

    The mention of eternal life in John 3 is significant and must not be overlooked. Nicodemus, would have known about this concept from only one place in the Old Testament, so then it is logical that this passage would have, or should have shaped his understanding of eternal life. Daniel 12:2 reads,

    Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt

    Again the concept of resurrection seems to be implied in the use of the word eternal life (zoe aionion) in John 3. But Daniel shapes the understanding of the concept itself by stating that only a portion of those raised would recieve it. Note that it says that MANY, not ALL, that sleep will awake. And that the MANY will be divided in two, some recieving everlasting life and some contempt.

    As I see it, the many in Daniel 12:2 are Gods people, the ones who are not raised at this time are not. If we understand it this way, and then transfer that over into the Gospels, it can totally change the way we see the paradigm of division in the words of Christ. The wheat and the tares are two types of Gods people, the broad and narrow roads are two options for Gods people, the parables depict the division of Gods people, and so on. It is a very sobering concept that the main thrust of the New Testament is contrasting Gods people who are obedient, with Gods people who are not. So as I see it, the many who are called are Gods people in general, the ones who are chosen are Gods people who walked in obedience.

  8. on 19 Oct 2012 at 2:21 pmSarah

    Hi Allen,

    I haven’t seen you on the KR blog before, so if this is your first time, welcome!

    Your comments are very thought-provoking. As you pointed out, resurrection followed by a division is described both in the OT and NT. So I have a question for you: When you say that the resurrection in Dan 12:2 refers to “God’s people”, do you mean the nation of Israel?

  9. on 19 Oct 2012 at 3:25 pmSheryl

    I tend to agree with you, Allen. Who are the people who are outside the millennial Kingdom? My thinking seems to be the same as yours… there are many people who have accepted eternal life through faith in Jesus (the free gift) but some of those will not live Kingdom-ready lives here during this “evil age” and so they are not “chosen” to enter the Kingdom after resurrection. I think the ones who have not, with the help of the Holy Spirit, overcome their sins are the ones who are outside the kingdom weeping and angry.

  10. on 19 Oct 2012 at 4:05 pmAllen

    Thanks Sarah and Cheryl, some good points. I will try and answer them from what I see in the Bible, I dont claim to the right, but its what I am persuded to believe at this minute. When I said that the resurrection of Daniel 12:2 was of Gods people, at that time and up until Paul, it would have been understood to be speaking about Israel. But as was revealed to Paul and recorded in the Ephesians, the Gentiles were to be brought into the blessings of Abraham and the covenants of promise, what is promised to the Israelites is now promised to the gentiles who seek the Kingdom by faith. So gentiles will be part of the resurrection of Daniel 12:2.

    As to the Gift of eternal life, I think the concept has been hidden and confused with immortality. Eternal life will not be given until the resurrection, which is why Paul told Timothy to lay hold of it (1 Tim 6:12), it will be given to those who will rule and reign with Christ in the Kingdom. Heres the part that you will probably need to think through, eternal life is not how long a person lives for, its the quality of life that he/she will have in the Kingdom. Let me put it this way, In the Kingdom, a person will live forever because that person will be clothed with immortality, but the quality of the life that the person will experience will be eternal/aionion life. All of Gods people are raised, but not all recieve eternal life, becuase eternal life is a gift of characteristics and special attritubes that those who will rule and reign must possess if they are to carry out their office, and it is so precious, that it can only be given to people who have developed Christ likeness, we need to deal with our sin people, God has a special plan for those who do.

  11. on 19 Oct 2012 at 4:18 pmAllen

    Sorry for the misspelling Sheryl, we mostly spell it Cheryl were I come from lol

  12. on 19 Oct 2012 at 8:21 pmSarah


    Thanks for the explanation, and I agree with a lot of what you wrote. Can I pick your brain a little more? You said:

    But as was revealed to Paul and recorded in the Ephesians, the Gentiles were to be brought into the blessings of Abraham and the covenants of promise, what is promised to the Israelites is now promised to the gentiles who seek the Kingdom by faith. So gentiles will be part of the resurrection of Daniel 12:2.

    Here are my next two questions. Do you conclude that Dan 12:2 describes a subgroup of Israelites plus a subgroup of Gentiles who will be raised and judged, or ALL Israelites plus a subgroup of Gentiles? And would you say that the subgroup of Gentiles who will be raised in Dan 12:2 are only those who were exposed to the Gospel message in some form?

  13. on 19 Oct 2012 at 10:31 pmAllen

    Hi Sarah, you are really putting me to the test with some great questions, thanks for that lol. I will try my best to answer, but like I said earlier, I dont claim to be right or infallable, this is how I see things and Im open for correction.

    I believe that Daniel 12:2 is made up of all Israel and a section of gentiles who God calls out. An Israelite was a member of a redeemed nation who where heirs of the promises of God by birth and every member of the nation was in a covenant with God. But only a remnant or a small section of the nation actually walked in obedience to the commandments, and only they will recieve the inheritance.
    Jesus preached this paradigm time and time again to those he called LOST, its interesting that the only time that Jesus called people lost that they were Gods people, something I think the modern day church have gotten back to front. If you are looking for the lost, look in the churches around you, theres plenty, and they are Gods people.

    As for the Gentiles, its less clearly defined who are actually the CALLED, because they are not part of a covenanted people like Israel once were..
    Again, a good place to look for the called of God from the gentiles is to seek out those who profess to be Christians. As I see it, it is Gods job to call out the gentiles, it is our job, with His help, to encourage them to walk by faith and gain the inheritance.
    After the Crucifiction, the believing remnant of Israel recieved a new set of guidelines to walk by and the old national Mosaic covenant was abolished. This allowed gentiles as gentiles and Jews as Jews to form one body, who were to walk by faith in the sames promises that were given to Abraham, the inheritance of the Kingdom. But the old Paradigm still exists even now, the faithful will inherit, the unfaithful will not, as can be seen in Pauls words to the Gentile Corinthian church.

    Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and all ate the same spiritual food; and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ. Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness.
    NOW THESE THINGS HAPPENED AS EXAMPLES FOR US, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “THE PEOPLE SAT DOWN TO EAT AND DRINK, AND STOOD UP TO PLAY.” Nor let us act immorally, as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day. Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents. Nor grumble, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the destroyer. Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

    Paul also when he was in front of Agrippa had these words to say.

    “But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. “In view of this, I also do my best to maintain always a blameless conscience both before God and before men

    Paul, who was a member of the New Testament church, still believed in the promises given to the fathers. But he also believed that there was a resurrection of the just and the unjust, and because of this, he tried to keep a clear conscience towards God and men. Why? because there was two possible outcomes at this resurrection, being just or unjust, Paul wanted to be among the just. This is in perfect harmony with the paradigm that Jesus preached.

    Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

    Read Ephesians, Galatians and Corinthians. All three contained gentile people, and all three contained warnings about disinheritance for unfaithfulness. The same paradigm applies today as it did to the people Jesus preached to. Thats how I see it at this minute, but feel free to disagree.

  14. on 19 Oct 2012 at 10:50 pmAllen

    Sarah, keep in mind the progress of revelation in the bible. When Daniel and the Gospels were written, the truth that the gentiles would be brought in and how they were to be brought in was not clearly revealed at that time. Paul recieved this revelation, and it builds on what was already revealed up until then. But it was largely hidden up until Paul recieved it, so if we only read the Old Testament and the gospels, we might not see it. But when we study both Old and New together, we see a unified whole. Personally, I would make the four gospels part of the Old Testament, and start the new at the book of Acts, if you catch my drift.

  15. on 20 Oct 2012 at 3:25 amtimothy

    Hello Allen and Hi Sheryl & Sarah,

    There are many important topics within this thread. I have one particular in mind and feel that one hears many words used without the meaning agreeing with the doctrines.

    Allen quoted:
    “Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.”

    a prize is an award–not a reward

    a wreath(garland) is a prize, a reward and is perishable

    Figure of speech wise, we are in a race to Jesus Christ return, and our resurrection/change where our prize will be eternal life with a new imperishable, spiritual body.

    “who have accepted eternal life through faith in Jesus (the free gift) but some of those will not live Kingdom-ready lives here during this “evil age” and so they are not “chosen” to enter the Kingdom after resurrection.”

    “Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things.”

    To “live Kingdom-ready lives” =equals= “exercises self-control in all things.”

    Please put this wonderful revelation, of our *agreement* on hold, while some more words and meanings are pondered.

    Genesis 15:
    3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

    4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

    This is the first time the word “heir” is used in GODs word.

    By the time Apostle Pauls wrote his Epistles, the meaning of heir and related word was well understood.

    An “heir” is someone who will “inherit” an “inheritance”.

    A “joint heir” is one who will share the “inheritance”.

    Jesus Christ said “the meek shall inherit the Earth” which means that the meek will have an “inheritance of being in the coming Kingdom of GOD on the Earth”.

    Titus 3:
    7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    More words:

    “award” a prize awarded sometimes for winning a competition.

    “reward” something given for completing a task.

    An “inheritance” is what “heirs” get, it is not a “prize”, is not an “award” nor is it a “reward”.

    “Many are called but few are chosen” or are all not “once saved always saved”.

    Timothy 8)

  16. on 20 Oct 2012 at 3:38 amtimothy

    a wreath(garland) is a prize, a reward and is perishable


    a wreath(garland) is a prize, an award and is perishable

  17. on 20 Oct 2012 at 9:18 amAllen

    Hi Timothy, forgive me but Im finding it a little hard to understand the point you are trying to make. I agree that an heir is someone who has an inheritance, but that inheritance is conditioned on meeting a standard. I dont believe that the bible teaches once saved always saved, in fact I dont believe that anybody is saved in the conventional sense that most people believe. All Gods people are Redeemed, but being redeemed and being saved are two different things all together. The context determines what is meant by salvation. It could be saved from a physical danger,

    When the jailer awoke and saw the prison doors opened, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. But Paul cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here!” And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household

    It can be salvation from the power of sin

    Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men. For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    Or it could be Eschatological Salvation

    And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him

    The inheritance, salvation, eternal life, redemption are all concepts that are inextricably linked, but they can and must be understoond as separate concepts all together before we can see how they relate to each other.

  18. on 20 Oct 2012 at 10:54 amtimothy

    Mister Allen,—(I am from The South)

    you wrote:

    “Hi Timothy, forgive me but Im finding it a little hard to understand the point you are trying to make.”

    I have not tried to make any point yet. Now I will make this point: there are many who read this blog and from the name, Kingdom Ready one can figure out that some blog writers here are interested in helping others to be Kingdom Ready.

    Having read thousands of lines posted, with heated debates, mainly about the biblical truth concerning Jesus Christ being human kind’s equal(isos) sacrifice. I now want to work with the “once saved always saved” dogma.

    Allen, I forgive you.

    Understanding some words, as I aforeto mentioned, is necessary to be able to understand scriptures, I will book, chapter, verse copy/paste. Being childish I prefer using my KJV traditional English dialect bible. From reading your last above post I cannot tell if you are quoting or making your own memorized paraphrase. I do not use bible commentaries, however I do read LHIM foundational expounded class textbook books and study the many classes and teachings on line.

    Still waiting to hear from Sheryl and Sarah too.


  19. on 20 Oct 2012 at 10:59 amSheryl

    Hi fellow adopted siblings! I am reading Deut now and was strongly struck by Moses leading Israel through the desert and how many of the people “fell away” and were not allowed to enter the promised land. This simply is an example to me where the 40 years then is akin to this present “evil age” and those of us who have accepted Jesus’ sacrifice and believe, are currently wandering in the desert. Just because we are adopted heirs (Israelites so to speak) doesn’t mean we will automatically, because of our status, be allowed to enter the Kingdom/promised land. We are all granted life in the age to come (opposed to annihilation) but not all of us persevere to the end. That explains to me how there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth outside the kingdom. Luke 13:28. I do believe that “many are called (saved) but few are chosen (to actually enter the kingdom)” This knowledge requires us to be responsible, sinless (as much as we are able,) examples of Christ’s life and God’s unfathomable love as we make our way to the finish line.

    I’ve also been hearing some teachings from other monotheists who seem to think there is a different gospel for Jews opposed to Gentiles. I’m not up on modern church terminology, but I think this might be “dispensationalism.” From reading the posts here and the bible I don’t understand how our fates will be any different, any more than an adopted child is treated any differently from a biological child. Comments?

  20. on 20 Oct 2012 at 11:21 amtimothy

    To all,

    I recommend listening to this short interview about OSAS or “once saved always saved”.

    From LHIM Truth Matters pod cast:


  21. on 20 Oct 2012 at 11:47 amtimothy

    Good morning Sheryl,

    Fewest words…

    You write: *I’m not up on modern church terminology, but I think this might be “dispensationalism.*

    I have been delivered from dispensationalism and the OSAS doctrine was one of the problems resulting from manipulating the scriptures.

    Having Jesus teaching to Israel and not to our Church. Bride of Christ vs Body of Christ and so on.

    All of the OT is for us to learn and take heed and it is our history too.

    agape sibling,

    Timothy 🙂

  22. on 20 Oct 2012 at 3:19 pmAllen

    Hi Timothy, I hate comminicating like this, Im not very good with computers and sometimes getting across my point or understanding some one elses is difficult. Perhaps if you stated what you believed concerning who the called are and who the chosen are, it would help us in the dialogue. I dont quite know what your stance is, it would help if I did. Inheriting is conditional, not unconditional. An inheritance can be forfieted and given up. This warning was written to people who were called Holy Brethren.

    Hebrews 12:14-17 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

    I do not not believe in Once saved always saved, I believe all of Gods people are raised, but only some inherit and only some recieve the gift of Eternal life, the ones deemed worthy.

  23. on 20 Oct 2012 at 5:20 pmtimothy


    This OSAS subject is real touchy with those who believe they are saved and no matter what they may do after Romans 10:9-10 whether to repent-change-renew their minds and diligently continue with perseverance, like the race, until their natural death or the sudden rapture/resurrection at Christ return. Or that if they continue on living a sinful life, un repented, no works for GOD with “rewards”, not following the commandments of GOD or those given by Jesus Christ.

    Shakespeare: “to be or not to be”

    Either/or they believe they are saved, “once saved always saved”. This is what the vast majority professed Christians believe today. There are rewards written about and five crowns promised.

    Right now I am copy/pasting an example of scripture I have quoted to one who continues to be a dispensationalist/OSAS Christian and show the typical reaction. By the way some of these dispensationalist go immediately into denial just as King Saul did in one OT account.

    1 Samuel 15: (kjv)
    14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?

    15 And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.

    Read the whole account and see all the parts of a true denial.

    Ephesians 5: (kjv)
    3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

    4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

    5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any [inheritance] in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

    Here in verse 5 is: “does not have any [inheritance]” and the denialist reaction is: “oh that means you only lose your rewards but will still be part of the coming Kingdom of GOD” at the resurrection when Jesus comes back. A person in denial(also abnegation, is used for a defense mechanism) fails to see that “inheritance” is something an heir gets.

    Romans 8:
    17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    heir/joint heirs receive an inheritance with each other and Jesus Christ. Jesus has already received his: raised from the dead, eternal life and a spiritual body, a spiritual human being.

    IMHO the Christian who turns back to the sinful flesh lifestyle looses their *inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and GOD*.

    IMHO GOD is a loving forgiving heavenly father just like the father in the Prodigal son parable and his *compassionate loving kindness* is always there to forgive and welcome the sinner *CHILD* back home.

    James 5:
    19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

    20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

    Luke 15:
    10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

    Here is one of our best teachings on “perseverance”:


    Timothy 🙂

  24. on 21 Oct 2012 at 1:25 amAllen

    Hi Timothy, I know were you are coming from. I was a Dispensationalist with a capital D, and also believed once saved always saved. But there are a lot of good God fearing people amongst them so I would never condemn them, but I would confront what they teach.

    The reference to Romans 10:9-10 is a classic case of wrenching a verse from its context, because if you carry on down you come to verse 13

    for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

    This is a quotation from the Old Testament, and to understand what Paul is writing about, you must first determine from the book of Joel when this Salvation appears. Any body who reads this in context will have problems making the salvation apply to today.

    Joel 2

    1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
    2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
    3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
    4The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
    5Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
    6Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
    7They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
    8Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
    9They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
    10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
    11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?12Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
    13And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
    14Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?
    15Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
    16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
    17Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
    18Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.
    19Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
    20But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
    21Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.
    22Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
    23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
    24And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
    25And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
    26And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
    27And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
    28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
    29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
    30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
    31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
    32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

    The salvation in Romams 10 is future, but the preparation for it is now, by confessing with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believing in your heart God raised him from the dead and by calling on the name of the Lord, but not once, everyday, these things must be a way of life, not a one time event.

    So when does this salvation appear, Hebrews 9:28 puts it beautifully.

    so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

    God bless you Timothy, we will chat again God willing, its bed time now lol.

  25. on 21 Oct 2012 at 5:16 amtimothy


    GOD bless you too.

    Our pastor/teacher has just completed a 24 segment class on the last book of the bible, “The Final Words”. An intense teaching was presented on the Joel scripture you quoted above.

    I took the class online *free* and will print out the notes and place in a 3 ring binder. Sadly I need to resupply the ink which will cost as much as buying a brand new printer.

    The dispensational mentality almost forbid reading the book of Revelations, which is as much the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ as the other forbidden territory in the gospels. The exhortation was only read that which is written to you.

    Romans 15:4
    For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our [learning], that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

    [learning]=didaskalia=doctrine, instruction, teaching

    2 Timothy 3:
    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for [doctrine], for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


    You wrote above:
    “The salvation in Romans 10 is future, but the preparation for it is now, by confessing with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believing in your heart God raised him from the dead and by calling on the name of the Lord, but not once, everyday, these things must be a way of life, not a one time event.”

    Praise GOD!

    We have the same doctrine on salvation, being completed at the resurrection, when the christian human body is changed, into a resurrected, spiritual human body, just as our resurrected Lord and savoir Jesus Christ has, with his first fruits from the dead, born again, spiritual body. I too believe Jesus is a equal(isos) to us human being and not GOD.

    Every day the christian must persever by following what Jesus Christ commands them via their Paraclete(parakletos). We have his revelation in Matthew through Revelations to hide in our hearts and be obedient to.

    Christians have been committed with the ministry of reconciliation and this is part of how: “Many are called but few are chosen”. We are all that Jesus has in this present evil world to do his/GODs calling. We have spiritual accouterments to use while calling.

    1 Corinthians 15:34
    34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

    2 Thessalonians 2:13
    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    Allen, thanks for your fellowship. My focus has been more on the myth of OSAS. I am sure we are more like-minded than most on the creed of Jesus Christ and the coming Kingdom of GOD to Earth.

    1 Corinthians 1:
    10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

    We should be of the same mind on these revelations of Jesus as well:


    Timothy 🙂

  26. on 21 Oct 2012 at 9:08 amSean


    I would love to hear your thoughts on the post Salvation: Three Tenses

  27. on 21 Oct 2012 at 11:52 amSheryl

    I just spent the morning reading through the post and comments Sean mentioned above. Very enlightening! For what it’s worth… I get that we are “born from above/again” and at that point we have a new life / we are a new creature. We repent or turn away from our old fleshly life and begin a new growth. Salvation begins here…our walk or race begins at our new birth. So…if we are born again at our resurrection as some have stated, what was our new birth at the moment we first believed and were baptized? It’s pretty clear to me that our new birth/new creation begins with our conversion from flesh to spirit living and continues on to resurrection / judgment and beyond. In that sense I believe that the first tense of being saved is synonymous with being born again…but that “birth” is a one time event and salvation continues through our living here in the world and will reach full fruition when/if we enter the Kingdom. At that point we have been saved and our salvation is complete.

  28. on 21 Oct 2012 at 12:40 pmtimothy

    Hello Sheryl,

    GOD bless you.

    I am still reading and am 1/2 way through.

    Believe me I have the same questions as you.

    One thing(question) is when was/did Jesus Christ get born again? Without copy/pasting scriptures(many) it seems that the place where Jesus is now requires a spiritual body as he is in the spiritual realm. He is currently in the realm written about in the book of Revelations. That other dimension that the Kingdom of GOD on Earth is to be like.

    Jesus told Nicodemus that:

    John 3:
    3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


    6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Maybe that is 1/2 of the equation and the answer may be with when/how was Jesus born again. He has ascended to a spiritual realm already?

    I am now enrolled in the VA weight loss program. You mentioned your pain in a……..

    Thought this might be of interest.

    Timothy 🙂

  29. on 21 Oct 2012 at 1:33 pmSheryl

    Timothy…. God bless you in your cause. (Ps 37:6)

    If Jesus said to Nicodemus that one must be born “from above” which it appears can be an accurate translation, then Jesus had his spiritual and fleshly birth at the same time. So he did not need to be born again as we do because his spiritual birth had already taken place. It is also interesting to note that Jesus was tempted to sin which only makes sense if he could have sinned. If he did sin…. I can’t even think of the ramifications…for Jesus himself, let alone the rest of us. But it does provide an example of how after our spiritual birth we do need to walk righteously and refrain from disobedience. Obedience to God’s will is an ongoing thing…we must remain obedient. Yes, we are saved when we believe….but salvation is a HOPE and will only be a completed event when we enter the Kingdom.

    Another idea is that Jesus was “born again” when he was baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. Which begs the question…. did Jesus have the holy spirit in him before his baptism? If not…how could he remain sinless?

    As for the second part of your post…I believe the holy spirit might have led you to answer some thoughts I have been having recently which has nothing to do with this post/blog….but is evidence of the wonderful love God has for us and how he uses us to lovingly administer his love to each other. 😉


  30. on 21 Oct 2012 at 6:22 pmAllen

    Hi Sean, I believe that the three tenses of salvation is a way for people to try and unify the times that the word is used, therefore making it three aspects of the same thing. The three aspects or tenses are connected and have a relationship, but are completely different. Take Titus three for example, this is used to show the past aspect of salvation, I dont believe it does, it show a completley different and isolated salvation, but one that has an impact on the future salvation.

    Titus 3:1-7, 1Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, 2to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men. 3For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. 4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    I think a better thranslation here of the word saved in verse 5 would be delivered. Paul states that we have been saved/delivered, past tense. But saved from what? The context makes it clear what they have been saved from.

    3For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.

    They had been saved from the power of sin, this is not the same salvation of Romans 10:9-10 or Hebrews 9:28, it is completley different and stands by itself. Where the confusion comes in my opinion, is that it does have an impact on the future salvation. If people do not experience the salvation and walk in the salvation that Paul writes about in Titus 3:5, they will not qualify for the eschatological salvation. Look at what being saved from the power of sin will result in.

    7so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    This is eschatological salvation, it is different from the salvation in verse 5, but you cannot have the second unless you have tyou have the first. The problem is, you can be saved/delivered from the power of sin in the past, but you must continue to walk in obedience or you could get tangled up in sin again. Right there are the three aspects.

    Feel free to disagree, as I have learned from past failings that I am not infallible, Im still working these things out myself.

  31. on 21 Oct 2012 at 6:27 pmAllen

    Sorry for the typos

  32. on 27 Dec 2012 at 1:10 pmStephen

    Hi to you all wonderful brethren here and thanks for your comments and helping each other to understand the things in the Scriptures and help prepare people who are eagerly waiting for their Saviour soon Return!!

    Brethren, I have gotten time to go through all the comments posted here on this blog! I am also a seeker of the truth in the word of God, even though I don’t know much through the power and the help of the Holy Spirit I would like to give my view on these matters!

    I used to believe in the doctrine once saved forever saved due to the Church I was brought up from. But for some few past years the Spirit of God reviews many things to me which clearly emphasize that everyone can claim to know Jesus Christ of Nazareth but to enter his Kingdom one must live a holy and Righteous life after receiving his grace and the gift of life. Jesus said in John 14:15 that “If you love me you will keep or obey my commands”

    Jesus also warn us so many times not to be hearers of his word only, but to also put to practice what he commands us to do. This is what is going on in this Evil Age we live in today; Many people confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus and Believes in their heart that God has raised him from dead and that shall be saved and think that is all!!! No that is not all!!! You can’t be a follower of Christ and continue living in your sins and called yourself a child of God then what is the essence of the Holy Spirit that Jesus left with us to help us live a holy life and do obey the commands he gave us.

    It is time for the whole people and Churches which claims to be Church of God and Jesus wake up and start teaching people and Church members to put to practice what Jesus thought the early followers and believers to put stop to the increasing of sins in the Church of God today as Jesus said he is coming for his Holy people but not Church members and carnal Christians but his Children who are still standing in the faith and doing the will and commands of his Father.
    Lets take this from Jesus own mouth in Matthew 7:22-28 which clearly states that once saved is not forever saved if one continue to live in his or her old self and lawlessness life;
    “22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
    24 Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
    26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”

    This passage is from the own mouth of our Lord Jesus! You can called yourself a christian, do all the miracles ever written in the Holy Book of God but live your own life which is not instituted by our Lord Jesus and against the will of God; you can never enter his kingdom and his glory, it doesn’t matter who you are, the kind of titles you hold in the Church still you can never enter his glory because you led a lawlessness life.

    Lets study this scripture from Revelation 21:1-9 too and see what the Lord Jesus Says” 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
    5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
    6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    This verse also clearly states that those who will be able to overcome or wins the victory at the end will get the inheritance of God. This means not all who are called will be able to finish the race or will be able to overcome. The verses 8 also throw much light that all those who are found in these practice will not enter the Kingdom of God and even says this is the second death.

    Then this is my question; can you be a christian and keep on sinning??? why are we still having all these acts and evil doings in our Churches and world today? People think to profess Christ that is all; no to profess and practice his teachings makes us more saved and secure in his Kingdom because he has given us power to overcome sin and live both holy and righteous life!

    Lets consider this readings too; Revelation 20:11-15 “11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”

    This verse also clearly shows that only those whose names were found written in the book of life depending upon the life they led from the other books which counts life record will enter the Kingdom of God.

    This means you can accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour but that does not guarantee you will enter his Kingdom if you continue living in your old Self and Sins, because one born of God cannot continue sinning because God seed remains in him!
    1 John 3:9

    I can’t write all that the Holy Spirit is guiding me to write here but I know with this little references and quotations we all will know there’s more for each one of us to do in other to inherit the Kingdom of God but not to claim we are Christians but do not live as Christ led.

    To my understanding many people are called but those who will obey and live holy and righteous life as instructed by Jesus are chosen by God! and a saved Child cannot continue to live in the bondage of Satan and Sin which Christ has already overcome for us and given us power to overcome too!!!

    God Bless you all!

  33. on 28 May 2013 at 2:28 pmRosina

    I came upon your thoughts on here as I was searching about the actual Greek translated ‘chosen’ in Matthew 22 Feast parable. Lately I have been seeing over and over and over that God allows us to choose and if need be will pass over us for a specific task He had for us and our lives if we choose not to do it due to fleshly wants, desires, lusts etc. I was reminded of Reinhard Bonnke who stated that he accepted God’s call to evangelise and that God told him he was His 3rd choice. I have never forgotten that and pondered on it for many years. Yes how can we claim to be Christians and not live as Christ lived? I feel there must be few who have/can/do. I wonder that anyone can live a sin free life even with the help of God, the Holy Spirit as I am certain that for myself I did not choose everything that Jesus would have done in my place even just today. Awesome to think and reflect on the magnitude of following Him.
    Anyway thanks alot and God bless you all as we are all seekers of the Truth and hunger for such a holy life as to please God.

  34. on 28 May 2013 at 3:17 pmJas

    ” I wonder that anyone can live a sin free life even with the help of God,”

    It took almost 4000 years , so maybe if we have 2000 more years who knows.
    We could be accounted sinless if we truly repent and accept the Whole Word of God and use Jesus’ sacrifice for atonement which we know is being baptized for remission of sin. Then we would receive help from the Holy Spirit to keep and assist us in God’s Will.

  35. on 13 Sep 2013 at 7:00 amJOHN IURINCICH

    I think that the many that are called are actually Christians and the few that are chosen are the ones that make it to the end remember when Jesus separates the sheep and the goats he says to some who actually appear to be Christians go away I never knew you.

  36. on 16 Oct 2013 at 9:00 amDon

    Many invited, few chosen… Yes God has invited many, For He wants us all to come to the saving Grace that He freely offers. The Grace He paid for, that His Son paid for by the bloody death on the cross. The ultimate sacrifice for us. So when I look at this section I see that the person being cast out was not properly dressed. “Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool” (Isaiah 1:18). So the Father invites us, He paid the price for us to come in white wool. But if we accept the invite to “come”, and we come on our own terms, “red as crimson” not honoring His Son as our Savior, we are trampling under foot His Son’s sacrifice. The night is far spent; the day is at hand. Let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.” When we come to Him at the feast remember He is Holy, we should put on the right clothing. “Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said , Behold , I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.” Remember how the high priest had to put on the Holy garments before they came before Holy of Holies? If not they died. How much more do we think we can come before a holy God without putting on Christ. To enter the feast in our own rags would be spiritual death. The invitation to the feast has been offered, the ticket paid in full, however there is a dress code. If we expect to be able to stay, “chosen”, we should honor the Host, and the One who paid the price of the ticket by dressing appropriately. Romans 13:14 NKJV “But put on the Lord Jesus Christ…”

  37. on 18 Nov 2013 at 10:10 pmKathy

    I would like to share with what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me regarding Matthew 22:14 Many are called but few are chosen.

    First we have to look at what God says about salvation.
    Romans 3:23 For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
    Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to ALL people.
    2 Peter 3:9 God does not want ANYONE to be destroyed but wants EVERYONE to repent.
    Luke 2:10 Don’t be afraid! I bring you good news that will bring joy to ALL people.

    You cannot let the verse stand alone. It goes with the parable.

    Jesus is inviting the Jews his chosen people to accept His invitation of salvation. They refuse His invitation. Now the king instructs them to go out to the street corners and invite EVERYONE you see. The servants brought in EVERYONE they could find, good and bad alike. God is now extending the invitation to ALL, ANYONE who wants to accept his invitation of salvation. If you accept his invitation, you are chosen. Jesus does not make you come to the feast if you do not want to. Who wants to have a feast with a bunch of people that do not want to be there. He gives us the choice. This parable shows the gospel is as God said in the above verses for EVERYONE.

    Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock; if ANY man hear my voice, and open the door I will come in to him, and I will sup with him and him with Me.

    Assurance of salvation is found:
    Ephesians 2:8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this, IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.

    Salvation is on faith and faith alone. To think we can be sinless like Jesus is arrogance.

    John 10:28-29 No one can snatch them away from me. For my Father has given them to Me and He is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand.

    We will be judged for our works that will produce our heavenly rewards but it WILL NOT affect our salvation.

    1 Corinthians 3:15 But if the work is burned up the builder/believer will suffer great loss. The builder/believer will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.

  38. on 19 Nov 2013 at 12:25 amJas

    Thousands upon thousands of Judah accepted Jesus’ invitation yet very few of Judea did. Most of the Jews in Judea were edomites who were converted about 150 years before Jesus’ ministry , most of Israel and Judah were scattered amongst the Gentiles aka Gentiles. Hosea is very clear that where they were told they were not his people(Gentiles) they would be told they were again his People(nolonger Gentiles). Jeremiah is very clear the New Priesthood Covenant was to be to Israel and Judah.
    As far as Grace yes everyone will be allowed to be judged by there love for fellow man because Jesus also redeemed everyone from the sin of Adam but to Israel belongs the promises and the adoption and many are still being called from or to be Israel who will be identified by the signs God gave to Israel. Now again just as in the OT these promises are to anyone who takes hold of the Priesthood Covenant old or new by accepting the word God Gave Israel to live and to be identified by

  39. on 30 Apr 2014 at 8:01 pmMargarita Pierce

    I believe, that the word “Called” means saved in the Greek..It is very clear that we obtain Salvation by Grace thru Faith..and not of works, and it is obvious to me, that “The Kingdom of Heaven” is when God does set His Kingdom here on earth..Not all of the saved will be able to enter this Kingdom..All Saved will enter Heaven one day, but only the Bride will enter “The kingdom of Heaven” and it will be those who do have Righteous Works, when they are judged at the Judgement Seat…This is the reason for us being judged to begin with.. We would not appear at the Judgement Seat, if we were not saved to begin with..It is to see what we have done in our bodies, whether good or bad since we were saved..For people to add works to our Salvation is wrong and not Scripture..Works after that we are saved is needed to be His Bride, and to be able to rule and reign with Jesus here on earth…but not to go to Heaven one day…Outter Darkness is for the saved, not the lost..If we read Psamls 88,which is describing and is “Outter Darkness, we see that it starts with ” Oh Lord, God of my Salvation..No lost person is going to be calling Him Lord or God..lost people are going to be cussing God out..These in Outter Darkness are Saved people..and after the last 1000 yrs here on earth? Jesus is going to turn this Kingdom over to His Father which is in Heaven…and at this time? all in “Outter Darknes” and in the “Blackness of Darkness” will be in heaven..and this is where the verse in Revelation 20:5 comes in..where it says..” And the rest of the dead will not live again till the 1000 yrs is finished..This is those in Outter Darkness and in the Blackness of Darkness. God is never going to refer to the “Lost ” as living again..How in the world is God going to refer to “living again? knowing that the Lost in going to the “Lake of Fire” I don’t think so..and also when He makes a new Heaven and Earth..it says, that He shall wipe away all tears..whose tears do you think He is going to wipe away? It has to be the ones in the Outter Darkness that are weeping and gnashing of teeth..Works has no place in our Salvation..None at all, and people do need to stop adding Works to it..but being His Bride? it will take works..and it is the “Prize” that Paul did talk about and the Race that we must run till the end..

  40. on 01 May 2014 at 9:54 amJas

    I see salvation from remaing in death accomplished by Jesus when he accomplished perfect obedience to God unto his death. This is common salvation which is to every man,woman and child that ever lived. This Grace allows for Judgement by which eternal life is given or eternal death is decided. This was the first emphasis of Paul in his ministry but Paul also emphasized the reward of being in a Covenant Relationship with God throung the New Priesthood Covenant which Jesus’Sacrifice with him as High Priest replaced animal sacrifices offered by the priesthood and A Holy Spirit replaced the priesthood . This is the type of Salvation offered Abraham and his Offspring that fulfills the Land Promises . This is the Calling which is to separate from the World and live like you are living in the restored and reunited Kingdom of Israel. This is a Works based salvation which has to be maintained but to enter it only requires Faith in the faithfulness of the One who promised it. Upon Agreeing to obey and the purification of Water Baptism you will be taught the truth and how to obey by A Holy Spirit . One who has entered should be recognizable by the signs that identify Israel and the manifestation of the Gifts like speaking and understanding any language needed in ministry,healing as a proof and any other that is needed.

  41. on 07 Jul 2014 at 12:08 pmMargarita Pierce

    I believe that this parable about the Wedding, is a picture of all of us at the JS..and that the Many called? are saved, for they wouldn’t be there if they were not saved..so I believe that the word “Called” in the Greek, should have been translated “Saved..and the Chosen is who God is picking out of the saved..to be His Bride…Not all saved are going to be His Bride..for if we study His word deep? we do see where Salvation is “not of Works” but then we do see the bible talking a lot about works..and also having to have works in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven..and this is where all of the confusion comes in..The Kingdom of Heaven? is not Heaven..it is associated with works, and also with, when Jesus does set His Kingdom here on earth for 1000 yrs..at the end of that 1000 yrs? He will turn that kingdom over to His Father in Heaven..In other words…Salvation is by Grace thru faith and not of Works..but to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and to be His Bride and be able to obtain Rewards and Crowns? Righteous works will be needed..all of this will depend on how we do live our lifes after that we are saved..A saved person without works? will still enter Heaven one day..but he will without rewards..and we do see this in 1st Corin 3: 11-15…We see one there that only has Wood, Hay & Stubble as far as his works? which means that he didn’t live his life within God’s will…but it is telling us that this person still had the Foundation which is “Jesus Christ” and when this person’s works will be put thru the furnace of fire? at the JS? all will burn..but the Foundation will never burn..so there fore? this person will still be saved..but it does tell us that he will suffer loss. There is meat and milk in God’s word…and many have no ideal about the Meat..Thanks..

  42. on 07 Jul 2014 at 2:27 pmJas

    Margarita Pierce
    You are right that the NT presents two types of Salvation. One that comes by way of Gift and one that comes by way of Works. Jesus never spoke of the Gift because he was only sent for the lost sheep to provide the means for the exiles to enter a relationship with God. All of these exiles are called back to God but few ever actually returned but God Promised a New Covenant of Grace through Jeremiah different from the Old Priesthood Covenant that required locality around Jerusalem . The New is accessible wherever they were scattered.
    Now the Salvation that is by Gift is Salvation from remaing in the Grave(death reigning) which was a curse brought upon ALL mankind by Adam’s disobedience . That meant no one could be raised for judgment .Jesus’ obedience unto death removed that curse and caused Grace to spread to All mankind past,present and future. Without judgment no one could be judged worthy of receiving eternal life in the presence of God.
    Keep studying because you are on the right path to the truth and please come back to share.

  43. on 13 Oct 2014 at 6:52 amThomas Mitchell

    I believe we should always bare in mind what the apostle Paul said in 1Cor 13:12.

  44. on 08 Nov 2014 at 9:00 pmMargarita Pierce

    Most people do not realize that the Parables are examples of what we are to do, in order to be His Bride..it is also a picture of us Christians, at the Judgment Seat of Christ.. The ones that appear there are all saved…they wouldn’t be there if they were lost..Even those that didn’t have a wedding garment on? are still saved..our Wedding Garment is our righteous works that we did in our bodies from the moment we were saved? until we get before Him at the JS..He is picking His Bride folks, and if we did not have righteouse works? If we only had works of Wood, Hay & Stubble? we will not be chosen to be His Bride..I know that many or most do believe that all saved will be the Bride..but this is not true and not scripture..This is why we do see so much talk about works, and doing the Father’s will..and that eyes have not seen or heart felt what God has for those who loved Him..Not all saved love Him as some do Love Him…the bible tells us that no one calls Him Lord unless they are saved..these people that are casted into the Outter Darkness? do call Him “Oh Lord God of my salvation..Do you really think that the lost is going to be calling Him..Lord? God of my salvation? I don’t think so..The lost is going to be cussing Him out..these are saved people..and they missed out of entering the Kingdom of Heaven..which will take place here on earth for 1000 yrs..and at the end? they will also be in Heaven with all saved….Salvation is by Grace thru Faith “And Not Of Works” God didn’t change His mind on that..We do need works and to be doing the father’s will to be able to qualify to be His Bride…

  45. on 08 Nov 2014 at 9:08 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas? You say that you do see two Salvations in the NT..but I want to ask you..I see a free Gift, which is Salvation by Grace thru faith and not of works. this has to do with one accepting who Christ is and what He did, in order for us to enter Heaven one day…but I also a “Prize” that Paul talks about..and it is this Prize that is going to take Righteous Works in order for us to receive it..I do believe that this Prize? is being His Bride..I am aware also that it will take works in order for us to receive Rewards and Crowns..but we have to also keep in mind that Paul is mentioning ” A Prize” Not Prizes..so I believe it not to be referring to the Rewards and Crowns which is in the Plural form..We are not going to be judged at the JS, to see whether we are saved or not..as I said, we wouldn’t be there if we are not saved to begin with..We will appear at the Judgement Seat? cause I do believe without a doubt that this is where and when Christ will pick His Bride..and those of us that do have our Wedding Garment? will go into this Wedding as His Bride..

  46. on 09 Nov 2014 at 12:07 pmJas

    “but I want to ask you..I see a free Gift, which is Salvation by Grace thru faith and not of works. this has to do with one accepting who Christ is and what He did, in order for us to enter Heaven one day…”

    How can something that is based on Grace require an action(work) which would only make it achievable by doing . This is not the Gift that is free.
    You were giving this gift the moment you received the breath of life and so was everyone. Being the Bride or Elect can only come from Works which is set by the Laws gave Israel to Live by and by acceptance of the New Priesthood Covenant which superseded the Old Sacrificial laws set up in Aaronic Covenant .

  47. on 09 Nov 2014 at 12:33 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas, You have mis- understood what I said…I never said that Grace requires an action of ( Works)…God says that we are saved by Grace thru Faith, and Not of Works..and that is what He meant…We being saved? or born again? is a Free Gift..but we have to accept and believe what Jesus did for all of us..and that He is God in the flesh..That is all that we must do in order to be or enter Heaven one day…Now I was trying to tell you that in God’s word? there is a ” Free Gift” and a ” Prize”..the Free Gift? is us believing in who Jesus is and did..but the “Prize” is what I believe to be, Being His Bride at the Judgement Seat…When we become saved? we all enter this Christian Race that Paul talked about so much…Not all saved with run it the same Jas..and not all saved will run it to the Mark…This mark is the finished line..whether it be that we are caught up in the Rapture or we die..whichever comes first? that is the end of our Christian Race..Now we are at the Judgment Seat, Christ is going to put our works thru a furnace of fire to see of what sort it was….whether it was good or bad..Not all at the Judgment Seat is going to have good works…but those of us that works are of Gold, Silver and Precious Stones? will be His Bride..this will be the ones that He refers to as “The Wise & Faithful Servant” and he tells us this in His Parables..he calls some ” Good Servant” Good & Faithful Servant” and the Wise & Faithful Servant..Yes I do believe that all of these three catagories? will be in that Kingdom of Heaven…but not all three will be the Bride…Only the Wise and Faithful… You are saying that we all were giving this Free Gift when we were born…No Jas we were not..The Free Gift? is Jesus Christ and what He did for us, and us accepting it..Don you see that He does say it in Ephesians? He is talking about salvation there…and He is calling it a Gift, and also that it is not of works…The works that I am talking about here, needed to be His Bride? does not have to do with whether we are keeping the commendments..It has to do with how much do we love Him..Are we doing the Father’s will? or are we not? When we all are born? our names are written in the Book of the living, but it is not written in the Book of Life, until we are born again…meaning that we believe in Christ and that He is the only way to Heaven…I wish that we could talk besides being on here…but this is still good…

  48. on 09 Nov 2014 at 12:40 pmMargarita Pierce

    Also Jas..we must also keep in mind that how we do live our lifes, after that we are saved? means that we are working on our Wedding Garment..This Wedding Garment that the Parable is talking about? has to do with as I said…how we lived our lifes since we were saved, not all of us at the Judgment Seat will have our Wedding Garment…and if we don’t? we will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven, now remember that the “Kingdom of Heaven? is referring to when Jesus sets His Kingdom here on Earth..and many do confuse this and think that it is talking about “Heaven” it is not..You see in Matt 7:21? where He is saying that all of those that are saying ” Lord Lord will not enter the “Kingdom of Heaven..only those that do His father’s will..Don’t you see? that the ones calling Him Lord Lord are saved? He Himself has told us in His word, that no one calls Him Lord unless they are saved..So what He is telling them is..”Yes I know that you are saved, cause you are calling me Lord Lord..but you did not do my Father’s will..In other words Jas…He is telling them, that they did not live a righteous life..Don’t you see works? there in that verse? I do…I see that He is telling us that we do need works in order to enter this “Kingdom of Heaven…and we do not need any works at all to enter Heaven….I do hope and pray that you do see what I am trying to say here..God bless you Jas..

  49. on 09 Nov 2014 at 12:43 pmJas

    ” is a Free Gift..but we have to accept and believe what Jesus did for all of us..and that He is God in the flesh..”

    Accepting and believing are actions of on own accord. Do you believe babies and young children have Grace without Accepting and believing?
    Explain how.

  50. on 09 Nov 2014 at 12:54 pmJas

    ”Yes I know that you are saved, cause you are calling me Lord Lord..but you did not do my Father’s will..In other words Jas…He is telling them, that they did not live a righteous life.”

    The actual words are “those that TRANGRESSED THE LAW”, The only Law Jesus knew of was the Law gave by God to Israel.

  51. on 09 Nov 2014 at 12:55 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas…I also want you to see how Paul, who I feel was really dedicate to Christ? He himself was afraid that when he came before Christ? that he himself might be disqualified..Paul was not scared or afraid losing his salvation…Paul knew that it was secured..but he did want to very bad be picked at the Judgement Seat to be His Bride..I believe that Paul used the word “Castaway” which is translated as “Disqualified” as I said, he was not afraid of losing his salvation..He just didn’t want to lose the privilege of being Christ’s Bride..Remember that the reason that Jesus spoke in parables? was so that the Jews would not know what he was saying..it was meant for the Gentile nations..that is what He said, when the Jews refused the Kingdom that He at the time was offering them…He said..that He would take it from them and turn it over to a nation bringing forth fruits..I believe that all of the Parable are examples for all of us, to see exactly what it will take to be His Bride..

  52. on 09 Nov 2014 at 1:13 pmJas

    “Remember that the reason that Jesus spoke in parables? was so that the Jews would not know what he was saying..it was meant for the Gentile nations..that is what He said, when the Jews refused the Kingdom that He at the time was offering them…He said..that He would take it from them and turn it over to a nation bringing forth fruits..I believe that all of the Parable are examples for all of us, to see exactly what it will take to be His Bride..”

    Jesus spoke in parables for reasons of 2nd temple Judaism which was 90% Edomite converts. Most of Israel did not even know they were Israel and lived in surrounding areas around Judea. These are the lost sheep from the exiles who were promised they would again be called HIS people.
    They were amongst and identified as gentiles in 1st century .
    Yes one type of Salvation was given to the Gentiles but they never replaced Israel but could Join Israel by accepting the Words of the Covenant to Israel and by using the methods of New Priesthood Covenant officiated by the new appointed HighPriest Jesus.

  53. on 09 Nov 2014 at 1:38 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jesus told the diciples exactly why he spoke in Parables Jas. and He did tell the Jews when they rejected the Kingdom …that He was taking from them..this is when He started to talk in Parables. and He did tell the deciples that it was so for them to hear, The Jews as a nation? lost the privilege of being His bride and entering into this Kingdom of Heaven..not as indivuals, but they did as a nation..and God did turn it over to the Gentile nation..God also say that this Mystery? was given to the Gentiles to understand..I do believe of course that Jews will also be in the Bride..but Jesus did offer it to them first as a nation..and they did lose that privilege when they rejected it..Jas..it is not that hard, as some make it seem…God’s word contains Milk, and Meat..many of us? stay in the milk for our whole life..and many are satisfied with being in the Milk of God’s word..and then there are some of us? that desired to go on into His Meat…and His meat does have to do with getting or receiving all that He has for those that do love Him..not all believers will love Him as some will..not all saved will walk the walk..not all saved? will live their life’s within His Fathers will..it is not that hard as some make it seem like it is so complicated..We either as a born again Christina live our lifes pleasing Him? and trying our best to live it within our Father’s will or we don’t..that is it..and those that do believe and do not live it as they should? are not going to receive all that God has for those that do..and people get all this confusion, by mixing the Milk with the Meat…and they come up with..We need works? to besaved, which is not so..or we can lose our Salvation, which we cannot not..

  54. on 09 Nov 2014 at 1:42 pmMargarita Pierce

    I know that many people say that if we are not walking the walk? that it might be that we are not really and truly saved…This is not true..for God Himself says in 1st Corin 3:11-15, that there is one there that has Wood, Hay & Stubble for his works..meaning that this person did not walk the walk..he was Carnal..but yet God says that this person will suffer loss when he gets to the JS, but that he himself shall still be saved as thru by fire..this person’s works…meaning what he did in his life from the time he became a believer, that this is going to be tested and put thru a furnace of fire..and that he is going to suffer loss..but that he himsels shall still be saved..this is telling us that those of us that are saved? are not going to lose that at the JS, but for sure we are going to suffer loss..and I do believe from what I have studied? that it will be…being the Bride..Jas…do you believe that all saved? will be the Bride?

  55. on 09 Nov 2014 at 1:46 pmMargarita Pierce

    Matthew 13:10-11 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

    11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

  56. on 09 Nov 2014 at 1:48 pmMargarita Pierce

    You can see in that verse that God is saying that it is given to them to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven..but it is not given unto them…Jas..this Kingdom of Heaven? has to do, as I said..when Jesus does set His Kingdom here on Earth for the last 1000 yrs..and who do you think He is talking about, when he said that it is not given unto to them? to know? He is talking about the Jews..

  57. on 09 Nov 2014 at 1:57 pmJas

    You are right we do not need any works to be saved from the curse of remaining in death that Adam’s disobedience caused. Jesus’s complete obedience unto death removed that curse from every man ,woman and child that ever lived. This is the Gift of Grace to Mankind. You,me ,muslim, atheist and ALL have received this Grace and nothing can take it away.
    Yes many put requirements by mixing Grace with the reward of Israel but mostly to create a doctrine of Inclusion while transgressing God’s Law that He gave. I myself am only saved by Grace yet I seek enough truth to enter the reward of Israel.

  58. on 09 Nov 2014 at 2:01 pmJas

    ” who do you think He is talking about, when he said that it is not given unto to them? to know? He is talking about the Jews..”

    It is speaking to those who made God Laws no effect by replacing them with Traditions of Men. Aka 2nd temple judaism Aka edomite judaism .

  59. on 09 Nov 2014 at 2:52 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas? tell me exactly what you believe..like what do you feel that a person must do to go to Heaven…and question # 2 do you believe that all saved will be His Bride? and where did you get or feel that we receive this free gift when we are born? And what do you mean that He was taking to those who made God’s laws..No one made God’s laws but God Himself..

  60. on 09 Nov 2014 at 3:15 pmJas

    Heaven comes after the Reward of Israel (1000 years). Prior to Heaven coming upon the renewed Earth there will be the Great White Throne Judgment . To receive eternal life one must be found worthy by their deeds toward humanity.Common salvation is being raised from the grave for this Judgment . This Judgment is based upon love for fellow human and is not based upon following the Law of God but following the natural law inside all.
    No the Bride is 100 % Israel but being Israel is not determine by blood but is determined by accepting the Words of the Covenant ,Entering and maintaining that relationship .
    The Edomite Jews made God’s Laws NON EFFECT by rewriting them adding and interpreting to fit their lifestyle just the same a most Christianity did the last 1900 years.

  61. on 09 Nov 2014 at 5:33 pmMargarita Pierce

    Heaven does come 1000 yrs after Christ’s ruling and reigning here on earth for that one thousand yrs…And the Great White Throne will be held at the end of that 1000 yrs..You are saying that to receive eternal life, that it depends on if we are worthy by our deeds toward humanity..So in other words..you are saying that in order for anyone to be able to go to Heaven? depends on works..cause deeds are works..You are not seeing that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven..I do believed that this is not scripture at all..there is only one way to Heaven..and it is thru Jesus Christ..there is no other way..I do not believe that Israel will be the Bride..and don’t understand where you are getting that from…being His Bride does have to do with the Kingdom that He will set here on earth..and we see the Jewish rejecting this…

  62. on 09 Nov 2014 at 5:57 pmJas

    “You are not seeing that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven”

    No Jesus is the only way to life in the Age not Heaven upon this earth. Jesus Sacrifice not only provided a way for Israel into the Kingdom of God,Aka Kingdom of Heaven,Aka Life in the Age it also perfect the Old Priesthood Covenant allowing for those prior to also gain entrance who properly used the sacrificial system .
    You mixing Grace with the Reward and New Heaven with life in the Age and providing a doctrine of inclusion by creating a rigid doctrine of exclusion.

  63. on 10 Nov 2014 at 11:28 amMargarita Pierce

    Jesus Christ? and us believing in Him, and that He paid the sin debt for us on Calvary? is the only way to Heaven one day..Now, Jesus Christ plus His righteous works thru us? gives us excess to the “Kingdom of Heaven when He sets it here on earth for that last 1000 yrs..We have to keep in mind that in the Kingdom of Heaven? there will be the “Bride” “Friends of the Bridegroom, and there will also be Wedding Guests..and different people from different dispensations, and also depending on how much we did allow our Lord to do His work thru us? does depend on what catorgory we fall into…I do believe from what I have studied? that the OT Saints will fall into “Friends of the Bridegroom, and those living in the dispensation of Grace? will have the privilege of being His Bride, but not all saved will be His Bride…and those that did walk the walk? in this dispensation? but didn’t have what is called the Higher Knowledge of His word? they will be the Wedding Guests…I have no ideal where Jas, you are getting the ideal that Israel will be the Bride..How are they going to be the Bride..when the Groom is going to be Jesus Christ…and Israel does not even believe that He is the Messiah? They do not believe in Jesus Christ as that He is the way..I have showed you in scripture where Jesus did offer this Kingdom to the Jews and the refused it, and He said that He was turning it over to a nation bringing forth fruits there of..and Paul, also said, that it was given unto the Gentiles to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven..Which the Kingdom of Heaven? does have to do with the Bride…

  64. on 10 Nov 2014 at 11:30 amMargarita Pierce

    Matthew 13:10-11

    10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

    11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

    You can see very clearly here Jas..that he is telling the diciples why He did speak in parables and that it is given to you to know these mysteries…and not to them..THEM is the Jews..I don’t understand how you do not see this..Who is “Them” to you Jas

  65. on 10 Nov 2014 at 11:34 amMargarita Pierce

    Matthew 21:43

    43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
    Jesus Christ was talking to the Jews here. He was not talking to the Gentile nation…for you to say that Israel is going to be the Bride…and Jews or at least the Orthodox Jews don’t even believe in Jesus Christ? makes no sense at all Jas..

  66. on 10 Nov 2014 at 11:40 amMargarita Pierce

    The Kingdom of Heaven? is just referring to the time when He does set it here on earth..at the end of that 1000 yrs? Jesus Christ will turn this Kingdom over to His Father which is in Heaven…I do agree that the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are one in the same….but still when we see in the Bible talk about the Kingdom of Heaven??? it is referring to when He sets it here on earth for that last 1000 yrs…and not all believers will be there…to enter this Kingdom? is going to take of course believeing in Jesus Christ, but it is also going to take works..His righteous works thru us..which will be works of “Gold Silver and Precious Stones…Our own works? are going to be nothing more then “Filthy Rags to him..it is only the works that we allow Him to do thru us, that will produce Gold Silver and Precious Stones..and when put thru the Furnace of Fire at the Judgment Seat? are not going to burn..

  67. on 10 Nov 2014 at 1:38 pmMargarita Pierce

    I am not mixing Grace with Reward at all…I do believe that you are not understanding Grace…cause you feel that we do receive this at birth and that we all have it..This is not true Jas..for he does say in Ephesians that Salvation comes by Grace thru Faith…do you think that we have Faith when we are first born? I don’t thinks so…we are not even aware that we are alive at birth..God is stating that Salvation comes by Grace thru faith, and that it is a Gift from God..He is the one saying that it is a Gift…not me..and you are saying that we all have this Gift? at birth? No that is wrong…I also know that it will take works to be able to enter this Kingdom that he is going to set here…and I also know that many do not see this, and that is where they get the ideal that unless we have works? we are not going to Heaven..Again this is not scripture..God says that we do not need works to go to Heaven…but we do need Faith..and to believe..and if we don’t? then I know those will not be in Heaven one day..

  68. on 10 Nov 2014 at 5:10 pmJas

    Judah only represented a portion of Israel. All of the Northern Kingdom went into Exile and Hosea states clearly that where they were called “not His people” they would again be called”the children of a living God. Prophet after Prophet speaks of the regathering and Jeremiah put this gathering After the New Priesthood Covenant . The Jews that were in Judea were a majority Edomites who converted to Judaism .Most of the true Judaites were scattered in 586bc with only a fragment returning. These Judaites lost their identity as Israel just as those from Northern Kingdom and were known as gentiles in 1st century.
    Btw Grace thru Faith could easily be Grace thru the faithfulness of the one who gave it.
    You would do well for your understandings to study the History of Israel for context and clarity .

  69. on 10 Nov 2014 at 10:57 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas..it still doesn’t matter..the fact is that God is telling them that it is given to the Gentiles to know this..and you are saying that what???? we are not the Gentiles? the whole bible I know was not written to us..but the whole bible is written to us..what you are saying about that Jews will be His Bride..does not make any sense at how..show me with scripture where it says that..for one as I said..Jews do not even believe in Jesus Christ..How are you figuring that they will be His Bride..I’m sorry but I do think you are wrong on this..so let us agree to disagree…ok?

  70. on 10 Nov 2014 at 11:01 pmMargarita Pierce

    I meant to say that the whole bible is not written to us but for us..and How can you say that we all receive this gift and grace at the time of being born? God says that it is by grace thru faith..we have no faith when we are born..so that has to be wrong..it makes no sense at all

  71. on 11 Nov 2014 at 8:37 amJas

    No I am saying his sheep(Lost Sheep of ISRAEL) knew his voice, not the edomite converts.
    So no I am not saying the Jews will be His Bride,Israel will be and by Israel I mean those who possess ALL of the signs of Israel.

  72. on 11 Nov 2014 at 11:32 pmDr. John Roberts

    I believe the message Christ was conveying and just trying to convey was identification. Calling comes its an identity. We dress accordingly or change into Christlikeness then we become identified and thus the hand picking is confirmed.


  73. on 12 Nov 2014 at 5:41 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas…you still say that you know for sure that Israel will be His Bride..well we shall see, I believe the Bride will be those that have not only believed in Jesus being the only way, but those that have lived their life’s withing the Father’s will..no matter whether Jews or Gentile..and you say Israel and I say Jews..but it is the same for, Israel is made up of Jews. we also know that they are the apple of God’s eyes..I do feel that to enter the “Kingdom of Heaven? Is going to take more then just believing by Grace thru Faith..it is going to take one that does have Righteouls Works, when tested at the Judgement Seat..and if we don’t have Righteous Works..we will still be in Heaven after that 1000 yrs..but we will not enter the Kingdom that will be here on earth for 1000 yrs..

  74. on 12 Nov 2014 at 6:28 pmJas

    No I don’t say Israel where you say Jew. 90+% of todays Jews are just converts and have absolutely no Israelite blood. This is the main reason most have not recognized Jesus as King of Israel. Just a little research would help your understanding.
    But being Israel is not determined by blood even though God has been seeking them the last 2000 years to offer them the New Priesthood Covenant , it requires accepting the ways God setforth for Israel and then ceremonial water baptism. After that they receive the promise of the Holy Spirit.
    To receive to prolonged life in the land with Abraham it will require obedience and Faith.
    All others will receive Grace and be raised from grave to be Judged which multitudes will receive entrance into the New Heaven along with eternal life. This will be where you and me go if we don’t find enough truth to become Israel of God.

  75. on 13 Nov 2014 at 6:08 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas..I believe that it will require Faith & Obedience to be able to enter the “Kingdom of Heaven” ..now whether this is what you see as The land with Abraham? I’m not sure…but as I have said over and over again…I do believe that Grace and Faith in Jesus is needed to be able to go to Heaven and not to the Lake of Fire. and that does not require works….but I do see where works are required to enter the Kingdom of Heaven..Now many do not see this Kingdom as different then Heaven…I do..I see the Kingdom of Heaven as referring to when He sets here on earth for the last 1000 yrs…and after? He will turn it over to His Father in Heaven where all saved will be at..Now I do feel and believe that some will inherite the earth, and that some will inherite Heaven..

  76. on 13 Nov 2014 at 8:15 pmJas

    The Kingdom of Heaven ,God or Israel was what was expected to come when the Prophesized Messiah came. Basically means the restoration of the Nothern kingdom(Israel) with the Southern Kingdom . This was what the Apostles expected and ask Jesus about before he ascended .
    In the Promise to Abraham was a blessing to ALL families through his seed(singular). This blessing Was Grace the Gift which was Mercy from remaingin death, the curse which Adam’s disobedience cause to come upon all mankind. Without being raised grave there is no possibility of standing for Judgment ,your judgment was eternal death because of Adam.
    The Reward was promise to Abraham’s seed(plur) because through them would come the Messiah if they followed the ways setforth for them. Many,many Promises were made by God to Israel yet only a remnant stay true to God in every generation. In the 1st century most of thse were in areas surrounding Judea and this was the base 11 out of 12 disciples came from and most of his followers.
    Margarita, Faith is an action aka work and it comes from us. Grace can not be a gift if any act is used to gain it.

  77. on 23 Nov 2014 at 3:09 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas? I am aware that Grace is a Gift, and that it is Free, and that it does not require any works at all…but we do have to admit, that thru out the NT? we do see works being required, and I do see it being required to be able to enter the “Kingdom of Heaven” so seeing this? does have to tell us, that Kingdom of Heaven has to be when our Lord sets it here on earth for 1000 yrs..and it is obvious to see that all saved? will not have that privilege to enter this Kingdom..Now all that receive this Free Gift? will be in Heaven one day..but I do not see, or do I believe that all that are born again? will be able to enter this Kingdom of Heaven with their Free Gift..It very clearly shows us this in Matt 7:21..

    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work in iniquity..

  78. on 23 Nov 2014 at 3:16 pmMargarita Pierce

    Jas if you read Matt 7:21 there? you will see where it is actually telling us that those doing the Father’s will be the only ones being able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. and doing the Father’s will, is works Jas..don’t you see that? and I know that most people do believe that those calling Him Lord Lord here are lost? NO Jas they are not lost.they are saved people, for God tells us that no one calles Him “Lord unless they are saved..and God is telling them ” I never knew you..he is not saying to them that they are not saved by telling them that He never knew them Jas..That phrase is used in Scripture only to show an intimate relationship..God was only telling them, that they didn’t have an intimate relationship with him is all..Not all saved will have an intimate or rather in our language, a close relationship with our Lord..not all saved will live their life’s close to our Lord as we should..Those there calling Him “Lord Lord? are saved..Like I said..for anyone to say that they are lost? cannot see or are not listening to what God is saying..He says no one calls Him Lord unless they are saved..
    1 Corinthians 12:3

    3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

  79. on 23 Nov 2014 at 3:18 pmMargarita Pierce

    There is the verse..it is God saying that Jas, not me…Now I ask you…how can anyone read Matt 7:21? and still assume that those calling Him Lord Lord? are lost people? this makes no sense at all..and I will say that people are not putting verse with verse..cause if they did? they would know that them people are saved people? that didn’t walk the walk..they only talked the talk

  80. on 23 Nov 2014 at 3:25 pmJas

    “Jas? I am aware that Grace is a Gift, and that it is Free, and that it does not require any works at all…but we do have to admit, that thru out the NT? we do see works being required”

    No we don’t have to admit when it contradicts Grace can not be earned by any act,work,words, or etc. What we have to admit is Grace and works can gain you entrance into the Age to Come but Only Grace is needed to be released from remaining in the grave for ages( eternities). This is the curse Adam’s disobedience caused and Jesus’ obedience removed.
    Face the fact ,you are not any better than most of the people on earth today nor I am I.

  81. on 23 Nov 2014 at 4:00 pmJas

    I agree Matt 7:21 shows works are required to enter the Kingdom of Heaven,aka of God, aka of Israel restored. But this is not Grace ,this is the requirement for Israel to receive a prolong life in the Age to Come.
    This verse also states no one who transgresses the Law will enter and the Only Law Jesus knew and followed was the Law delivered through Moses.

  82. on 17 Dec 2014 at 9:13 pmMargarita

    You have mis understood all that I have said here Jas..I have never in anyway said God’s Grace has to be earned…I believe and know that we are saved by Grace thru Faith..and Not of Works…I am not forgetting God saying “Not of Works” What I have said is..that Heaven? and the Kingdom of Heaven? are not the same place..Heaven? is where are saved by Grace thru Faith will be..and the Kingdom of Heaven? has to do, with when Jesus sets it here on earth for that last 1000 yrs..and I am saying that it will take righteous works to enter that Kingdom of Heaven..but not Heaven…”yes” all that believe will go to Heaven..In other words? I am saying that all saved? will not be the Bride as most think…and also I see you and what you are saying about Israel..and many do believe that Israel is the only one going to be the Bride..but this is not right, or is it Scripture…Jesus offered the Kingdom of Heaven to the the Jews…as a nation..and they refused it..so the word tells us..that He then took it from them and turned it over to the Gentile nations..so it is the Gentiles now that have that privilege..along with saved Jews of course..but it is going to require us doing the Father’s will..which if we are living our lives doing the father’s will? this is counted to us as Righteous Works..

  83. on 18 Dec 2014 at 9:46 pmJas

    We are in agreement that Heaven and Kingdom of Heaven are not same place or point in time. Yes it takes only Grace to be raised for Judgment which can lead to entrance to Heaven. But Grace plus righteous works as defined in God’s Laws is what determines entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven aka the restored Kingdom of Israel. The Jews never represented the whole of Israel not even those of the tribe of Judah. Israel was exiled some 750 years before Jesus and Judah was exiled some 600 years before with only a very small remnant returning. Most of the people called jews in Jesus’ day were edomite converts especially the Pharisees and rulers . Most real Judaites lived outside Judea. Israel was still scattered but in Hosea YHWH promise to regather them from among the Gentiles and in Jeremiah God says he would offer ISRAEL a New Priesthood Covenant as he regathered them.
    Just as the Old Priesthood Covenant offered atonement to people outside Israel so does the New. So being Israel is Not by blood but by signs (Law) God instructed Israel to be recognized by and by relationship thru The New Priesthood Covenant .

  84. on 29 Dec 2014 at 9:38 pmMargarita

    Well Jas.. I see where we both agree about Heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven..not be the same places..I do agree that Grace plus Works? does give us the entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven..and “yes” this is what I see that Righteous works are needed for..but it is definitely not needed to enter Heaven one day..Now I am sure that we both will not agree on the fact that, I believe that, this is the reason that we all must appear at the JS..and that is to determine, who will enter this Kingdom of Heaven..I believe that those of us that do have Righteous works? and that our works will not burn up at the JS? will be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven with our Savior for the last 1000 yrs..which at the end of this 1000 yrs? He is saying that he will end it, and create a new Heavens and Earth..

  85. on 30 Dec 2014 at 12:04 amRay

    Easier to confess Jesus as Lord when the going is easy, harder yet to act right sometimes, and show the works of what we have confessed.

  86. on 30 Dec 2014 at 3:45 pmMargarita

    I am not understand what you have said on here Ray…The good that we do? people should be able to see it thru us..they should be able to see either Jesus Christ thru us and in us..or see the Holiness in us..I do remember this man preaching on the radio everyday on the way to work..and this woman called in, and told him, how she come to receive Jesus as her personal Savior by listening to this man on the radio..and he asked her..” what exactly was it? that I said, that made you turn to Jesus..and she answered and said? It was nothing at all that you said..It was the Holiness that I see in you…so we all do need to be a good example to the world..and this is usually how we do reach people..I agree that at times? it is hard for us to do or act as we should..but we must never give up trying to always be a good example for the world..cause we never know, if we? are the only person that a lost person might come into contact with..so therefore? we must try not to maybe cause that person to never get saved…I see many that do claim to be a Christian? and yet you wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from a lost person..and this is very bad…we that believe? even tho aren’t perfect or never will be in this life? should always try to watch very closely what we say, and how we do walk..God bless you Ray..

  87. on 30 Dec 2014 at 9:16 pmJas

    Really All we disagree on is what defines works and the purpose of Great White Throne Judgment

  88. on 03 Jan 2015 at 2:34 pmMargarita

    I feel that ” Works” has to do with how we do live our lifes after that we are saved, I believe that “Works ” has to do with” are we doing the Father’s will..Do people see Christ thru us, when they look at us, on how we live or how we walk…Works to me ? has to do with just how much we do allow “Him to do His thing thru us…what does Works mean to you Jas..please explain….and as for the Great White Throne…I believe that it a judgment that will take place after that last 1000 yrs of Jesus Christ ruling and reigning with His Bride..and I believe that all the lost? and all those thru that last 1000 yrs? will be judged at the Great White Throne..What do you feel or believe about the Great White Throne..please Jas, just stick to these two things ok? cause I had a man just tell me, that we are not saved by just grace and faith..He said that when God says in Ephesians 2:8 & 9? that he said “not of works” cause He happen to be talking to a group of followerers, that believed that works was needed in order to be saved..Does that make sense to you…I don’t care who God was talking to when He said “not of Works..The whole Bible is written for all of us..maybe not to all of us..but it is for all of us..So if a group of followers believed that we needed work? then what was God telling this group? correct? He was telling them that works is not needed.. Anyway..it does seem as if this whole google here? is ours Huh? LOL..ok Jas please tell me what you feel that pertains to Works in God’s word, and tell me what you believe about the Great White Throne..see you in a bit..

  89. on 03 Jan 2015 at 2:39 pmMargarita

    Jas I do see where you are saying a little further up..that Grace plus works is what gains us entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven..and this is what I also believe..where you and I disagree, is that I don’t believe that it requires works for us to enter Heaven..God does make it very clear, that works are not needed for Salvation..Is it that you believe that you might lose your Salvation at the Judgment Seat of Christ?

  90. on 03 Jan 2015 at 2:43 pmMargarita

    This is wrong for us to say that grace gives us entrance to Judgement..for it clearly does say in 1st Corin 3:11-15..and this is suppose to be taking place at the JS..and it is showing us one there, that had no righteous works..meaning that this person had only Wood, Hay & Stubble..which are works that will burn up at the JS..but still God Almighty is telling us how this person will or is going to lose something..but He also makes it very clear..that this person is not losing their Salvation..which does have to do with going to Heaven..I am sure that this person will not enter The Kingdom of Heaven..but am positive that he will enter Heaven after that 1000 yrs

  91. on 04 Jan 2015 at 9:24 pmJas

    Works means exactly what it meant while Jesus was in the midst of his ministry. There very same works he was found perfect in. GOD’S LAWS!!
    Jesus said he would not know those who transgressed the LAW in the eternity(Age) to come. JESUS Only Knew ONE set of LAWS that was giving by God and It was not the the Rabbinical or Gentile LAW.
    How can Grace guaranty you entrance into Heaven when Many will not enter and ALL the Dead will be RAISED.
    There are several types of Salvation and One is just being saved from remaining in the grave for eternity, the curse Adam caused to come upon ALL MANKIND

  92. on 05 Jan 2015 at 11:22 pmRay

    John 6:28 and following is a good example of people asking about works.

    I’ve heard of how faith is the engine that pulls the train, and works is near the end.

    When I read John 3:16, it seems I could put grace ahead of faith, and love ahead of grace.

    works-sanctification-faith-hearing-word-grace-Love (God’s love)

    That could resemble I train I suppose.

    And I suppose there are trains that will not move until the caboose is well attached. Some engineers may just be that way, I suppose.

  93. on 05 Jan 2015 at 11:28 pmRay

    Isn’t works is the proof that the train was real, or right, or not?

    I believe God wants to see the fruit, and that people will be judged according to fruit when that day comes.

    Will we be ready?

  94. on 06 Jan 2015 at 9:22 amRay

    I suppose I could look at that train of words and surmise that the caboose and it’s condition determines whether the train was legit (real) or not.

  95. on 22 Jan 2015 at 9:25 pmMargarita

    Jas..can you please tell me what you do define as “Works” in God’s word..God does talk about works, and He does say that there is only two types of Works, that we can accomplish after that we are saved..He calls them “Gold, Silver & Precious Stones” and Wood, Hay & Stubble..those are the only two types of works that we can produce as a saved person..and I do believe that our works? is what we will be judge at the JS.. God says in John 3:16…that who soever believeth shall not perish but have everlasting life..do you not think that God meant just what He said? that is His Grace and our Faith that saves us..what do you feel that you must do to be saved? Where are you getting these different types of Salvation…Now? I do believe that most things in His word do come in threes..and I do believe that we have been saved. are being saved..and will be saved….and the first one? is when we first believe and having to do with our Spirit which he quickens at the time that we believe..and the second? has to do with our Soul..and that is the one that we are being saved…having to do with what we do with our life after that we are saved..and the last? has to do with our bodies..which He will save for us..

  96. on 23 Jan 2015 at 11:45 amJas

    There is intentional and unintentional sin yet being held accountable for that sin requires an agreement with God . Just as a person enters a marriage has made an agreement with conditions a christian must enter an agreement with God with Conditions . These conditions are set-forth in the Word of God as God’s Laws. These Laws govern a Christian just as they governed the actions of Jesus. These Laws were given to create a noticeable set apart people as an example to the nations . These Laws only pertain to those that have entered a special relationship with God. Under the Old Priesthood Covenant God set up Priest to officiate over the oath of entering this special relationship and to teach those how to maintain it. But this method was flawed by the fact the Priest was not Perfect and the blood of animals could only provide a temporary covering for sin and did not change the nature of the person. This is why God Promised a New Covenant with Israel. A Priesthood Covenant based upon a Perfect High Priest , a better Sacrifice and a Spirit sent by the High Priest to teach and help maintain the relationship . If you believe,confess,accept the New High Priest you will receive the Promises Made to Abraham and his Offspring through Isaac and Jacob . There was also another Promise made to Abraham ,that through his Seed(sing) all families on earth would be blessed. This blessing is unconditional on those families as long as this prophesied Seed came . This blessing is Grace from the curse Adam put upon Mankind which was remaining in the Grave for ever without the opportunity to be judged by our own actions which the Great White Throne Judgment is this Opportunity . The Bride is those a genetic Israel that returned to God and the guest are those of the Nations who joined Israel by accepting God’s Word and entering this special relationship making them a citizen of The Israel of God. These are those who will be raised and populate the restored Kingdom of Israel,God,Heaven.
    You allow the counterfeit church to mix Grace with Reward by accepting their interpretations and additions.

  97. on 23 Jan 2015 at 2:30 pmJas

    Btw John 3:16 speaks nothing about eternal life, IT ONLY STATES LIFE IN THE AGE. ONE AGE and it doesn’t even say how long at all period. You are just letting the counterfeit church dictate a impossible meaning.

  98. on 26 Jan 2015 at 8:41 amRay

    John 3:16 speaks of everlasting life in Jesus Christ, something all who believe in him should hope for.

  99. on 26 Jan 2015 at 10:45 amJas

    Have you ever researched the word used that is translated everlasting and eternal? If not PLEASE DO

  100. on 29 Jan 2015 at 12:30 amRay


    I tend to trust the translators of the KJV.

    Here’s what my dictionary says about everlasting: Never coming to an end, lasting forever, eternal, going on for a long time; lasting indefinitely, durable, going on too long or happening too often, seeming never to stop, eternity, any of various plants, mostly of the composite family, whose blossoms keep their color and shape when dried; especially an annual, the blossom of such a plant, the everlasting God.

    Do you think they should have used a better English word?

  101. on 29 Jan 2015 at 10:23 amJas

    The KJV is only a translation and interpretation for specific doctrine, just as the others are.
    I was pleading with you to do some research instead of just parroting people who have agendas to deceive and to protect the deception.
    Are you willingly refusing due diligence or just to lazy or afraid it might prove your understandings false.

    Yes it is properly translated Age in singular ,Ages in plural, Ageless when describing God.

  102. on 30 Jan 2015 at 6:14 amRay


    I wasn’t aware that Noah Webster had a religious agenda. To this day when I read his works (dictionary) I don’t really get that indication.

  103. on 30 Jan 2015 at 6:20 amRay

    It seems to me that the only life that will be lived in the presence of Christ in the Age to come will be that which is of him and is eternal.

  104. on 30 Jan 2015 at 6:25 amRay

    Everlasting (or eternal) life can only come to a man by Jesus Christ.
    (see John 3:16-18)

  105. on 30 Jan 2015 at 10:49 amJas

    The word translated eternal,everlasting is “Aion” which is a greek word not found in Websters. It is apparent you think the bible was originally written in english so until you seek the truth there is no reason for discussion.
    For those who seek here is a study on Aion


  106. on 31 Jan 2015 at 7:27 pmTimoteo


    Thanks for the word study link. Knowing the full meaning of words leads to rightly dividing GODs word and teaching others like Ray also/too.

  107. on 31 Jan 2015 at 7:46 pmRay


    It’s obvious to me that the Bible was not written in English, but rather that you suggested that there is a better word the translators should have used other than “everlasting” in John 3:16. You can read what I found from Webster’s dictionary above.

    Do you have a better word that the translators should have used, or are you happy with “everlasting” being used as it is in John 3:16?

    Apparently, in your opinion, one is “parroting” someone who has an agenda, if they look up a word in a dictionary. That seemed to me to be what you were inferring.

    Or, in your opinion, was I just “parroting” the translators of the KJV who had an agenda, because I take John 3:16 as it is in my Bible, as if I have no idea what it means?

    So what is the English word you have that is so much better than “everlasting”? I suggest reading what my dictionary has to offer before you give your answer.

  108. on 31 Jan 2015 at 9:09 pmJas

    Please read the study.
    Everlasting is an impossible translation of the word “Aion which is the word used in John 3:16 in the greek manuscripts .
    Webster is only dealing with english words so using it for this purpose is unfruitful.
    You should always try to make sure you even understand a conversation before jumping in .
    Also please atleast try to gather your thought so you can make one or two post not three in a row

  109. on 01 Feb 2015 at 9:52 amRay


    Why is the Aion, the Greek word so different than the word “everlasting” in English?, and what do you suggest as a better word the translators should have used, if any?

    Please understand what I am asking before you jump in.

  110. on 01 Feb 2015 at 10:12 amJas

    Aion means a period of time with a beginning and end, an AGE. In the Greek manuscripts it is used in the plural and also used double as aions and aions .How can you have plural everlastings or eternities or forevers when that contradicts their meanings. The so called “orthodox” does not want you to know about the ages God setup like the upcoming Age promised to Abraham ,Israel and those that joined them because when you truly understand the purpose for it ,it exposes more lies of the Church.

  111. on 01 Feb 2015 at 1:16 pmRay


    If we simply trust the translators of the KJV and use some simple help of a Young’s Analytical Concordance, along with a good English dictionary, we may arrive at something like this:

    John 3:16
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    First of all, even without the help of any type of dictionary, how is it that one who does not perish, and yet is a partaker of an age that has an end, perish? And if another begins, and even if that age should end, wouldn’t he still have to endure that one as long as he does not perish, and in effect, be a partaker of everlasting life?

    Here is what I get from the Young’s: Age-lasting, aionios.

    Then taking a common English dictionary, I may look up the word “age” and arrive at something like this:

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have ……the time that a person or a thing has existed since birth or beginning, the lifetime, a stage of life, the condition of being old: old age, a generation, any interval of geological time; specif., an interval corresponding to a stage in rock strata, any prehistoric culterural period in human development (the Stone Age) a period characterized by some person or by some outstanding feature or influence..a long time, to grow old or show signs of growing old, to ripen or become mature, to make or make see, old or mature, to cause to ripen or become mature over a period of time under fixed conditions, SYN. see period- of age having reached the age when one is qualified for full legal rights…

    That’s just about it for the word “age” in my dictionary.

    Now what can we get from all of that which applies the best?
    Can we have all of that without perishing, and if so what would be the result?

    There’s apparently a whole lot of good in the meaning of the word “age” especially when we have the words “not perish” connected to it.

    So, what might it be like to live in an age of God in such a condition where we do not perish, and what if it is the last age?

    It is written that on the 7th day God rested. (see Genesis 2:3) It’s the day that God blessed and sanctified, the day that is numbered last, and no other number of a day follows it, for it is the last of the numbered days. Nothing follows that which is last, and isn’t this a bit about Christ, spoken of in a mystery?

  112. on 01 Feb 2015 at 1:41 pmJas

    Nice copy and paste but the author does not understand that it is appointed for ALL MAN to die atleast once and the curse of Adam had all man remaining in that state and the blessing to ALL THE FAMILIES brought about by the Seed (sing) , Jesus is all are saved from just perishing in the Grave. Yes life in the Age overcomes and proves this blessing first to Israel then to all others. Fact is Ezekiel states that people will still die during the age to come but it also states that no even their second death will be permanent . If someone lives through the age to come till after judgment death is abolished then they they can not ever die but not because they received eternal life but because death nolonger exist. God is the only being without a beginning or end.

  113. on 01 Feb 2015 at 6:55 pmRay

    It seems to me that the age to come is eternal and is the kingdom of Christ, the final age, though there may be ages yet to come before that one. In Christ is eternal life because he is eternal life and his life has no end, just as it had no beginning.

  114. on 01 Feb 2015 at 6:56 pmRay


    What author are you talking about?

  115. on 01 Feb 2015 at 7:30 pmRay

    I understand that though it is appointed for all men to die, he that believes in Jesus shall never die, which is why the apostle Paul talked about his being present with the Lord as soon as he would depart from his dead body.

  116. on 01 Feb 2015 at 7:31 pmRay

    Which thing in my post above is similar to going into another age.

  117. on 01 Feb 2015 at 7:38 pmRay

    Maybe we can say that Paul is in another age, and is in the one to come.

  118. on 01 Feb 2015 at 9:33 pmRay

    So the Church is of the whole family of God, many of whom are in heaven, having received of the revelation of faith, the gospel of Christ, even of that which he preached from the MOUNTAIN, as well as what had previously been given from Sinai, to those faithful of the old covenant, who is of the God of the living and not of the dead, whose names are written, God knowing, in his book of life, having been baptized into Christ, by that same word which we have received also, and we being baptized with FIRE, as a city set on a hill, we SHINE, and let the LIGHT shine, even of the DARK sayings of the wise which we have read of and have received, EYES being enlightened with the light of life, joined together in the star of the morning, the light of day, even Jesus the bright and MORNING STAR, becoming one with him, the Church and Bride, are unto the world, the hope and DESIRE of what the world can not give to them, yet they hunger and thirst for, and chase after as knowing that there is more than they have ever seen, for it shows in them by how they search after that which they have not been able to yet attain. Yet these things we speak in a mystery, things of BEAUTY and LOVE reminding me of something I saw on you tube…..Shocking Blue, Venus.

  119. on 01 Feb 2015 at 11:55 pmRay

    The truth we have received, written of those who are in heaven, the city from above, the thing Abraham searched for, the one with foundations whose builder and maker is God, is for those who have the desire for it. It is in our Bibles, and can be read, at their desire.
    Those people right now, are connected, being one with the bright and morning star, Jesus. They right now, are as he is.

  120. on 02 Feb 2015 at 1:45 amRay

    John 1:10
    He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

    I’m sure I don’t know the depth of that.

  121. on 02 Feb 2015 at 11:22 amJas

    Did you really think making 8 post in a row could hurt me since I made a suggestion that you try to put your thoughts in a few because making multiple post are against to policies here.
    I knew better than to bother trying to have a rational discussion with you.

  122. on 02 Feb 2015 at 7:02 pmTimoteo

    1 Thessalonians 5: (kjv)
    14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

  123. on 03 Feb 2015 at 9:36 amRay


    Try having rational discussions here.

  124. on 03 Feb 2015 at 9:42 amRay

    I find nothing wrong with John 3:16 using the word everlasting in it.

    I think it reads just fine as it is.

    John 3:16
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

  125. on 03 Feb 2015 at 1:46 pmJas

    I have had dozens of rational discussion here but Timothy is right I should be more supportive

  126. on 04 Feb 2015 at 11:50 pmMargarita Pierce

    I have no ideal Jas, where you are getting the ideal that I attend a counterfeit church.. You say that John 3:16 is not promising us Eternal life.. Did you ever think for one min, that it might be you that is wrong here? First of all…in John 3:16? God does promise us Everlasting life..and if you do study what Everlasting and Eternal means in the greek? you would know that Eternal stands for a period of time..or a time period..but that Everlasting is forever and ever, never to cease.. As a Christian? we shouldn’t be jumping to conclusions that someone is attending a counterfeit church..as I said..I do believe from what I have studied? that “Eternal? is and most likely should be used as what you say an Aion is..it does have a beginning and it also has an ending..but by no means does Everlasting have an ending..so I do feel that you should research this just a little more.. I also believe that the 1000 yr of God ruling and reigning? will be Eternal..cause it will have an ending..but in John 3:16? no it is like Ray said…it is telling us that if we believe? we shall not perish, but have everlasting life..meaning never to end….First and foremost? we should not let the devil have his way here…like it seems that you might have Jas..we are here to learn and to search..don’t ever feel as if there is nothing that you might be able to learn in God’s word..cause when and if we come to that point? we are in trouble..Never do I feel that I cannot learn something in God’s word..and you are giving me the impression here? that you do know it all and that there is no room to learn anything..God bless you Jas..have a great night..

  127. on 05 Feb 2015 at 11:03 amJas

    Never stated you attended a counterfeit church, but did say you believe some of the lies of the counterfeit church which took christianity over by force starting as early as Justin Martyr .
    Only twice in the bible is a word used that could mean eternal-everlasting which it is used for God. Only one time in the bible is there a reference to a human becoming everlasting which is when death and the grave are destroyed after the just and unjust judgment . Everything else pertains to an age or ages. Perishing is remaining in the grave which was the curse Adam caused to come upon all. All that will be raised into the Age to Come will be saved from that curse but that does not prevent all other mankind from being saved after that age.
    I would love to know it all and it stands to reason if I did I would be guaranteed a place with the Elect which no time have I ever claimed.
    Everyday I study and research, I seek discussion because I find value in it and have found better understandings through it.
    I am subject to change after proof and reproof .

  128. on 05 Feb 2015 at 4:43 pmMargarita Pierce

    Btw John 3:16 speaks nothing about eternal life, IT ONLY STATES LIFE IN THE AGE. ONE AGE and it doesn’t even say how long at all period. You are just letting the counterfeit church dictate a impossible meaning. This is telling me that somehow you do feel as if I have to be attending or listening to a counterfeit church.. I do feel and believe by what I have studied? that as I said..Eternal does stand for an age or ages, and that the word Everlasting stands for never to cease..Now it is fine with me if you see it the way that you do..I have explained to you in many different ways, that I do not mix Grace with Works..I do not forget what Jesus did say…that we are saved by Grace thru Faith and “Not Of Works’ so why do you continue to tell me that I do? and I cannot understand where or how you have come to the conclusion that Israel will be the Bride? I see it very clearly when He did offer this to the Jewish Nation..and they refused it, and He then turned it over to a nation bringing forth fruits..which happens to be the “Gentile Nation..He does say this Jas..why is it that you do not see this?

  129. on 05 Feb 2015 at 4:53 pmMargarita Pierce

    Matthew 21:43

    43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

  130. on 05 Feb 2015 at 6:02 pmJas

    The true church was persecuted into extinction several hundred years ago and most of their literature was destroyed . The counterfeit church started very soon after the start of 1st century by mixing the myths of paganity with the bible. The created a godman .
    Unfortunately I probably haven’t rid my beliefs of the deception of the counterfeit church.
    If everlasting was to be the meaning in John then the author would have used a word that meant that and there would be no contradiction.
    How do you handle Ezekiel where it states people will die at very old ages with 100 years old compared to infancy. Do you know mans body was originally designed to live to 1000 years as Adam was 900 +
    Again Judea was mostly edomite converts or mixed breeds with most of the tribe of true Judah scattered.

    ” I see it very clearly when He did offer this to the Jewish Nation..and they refused it, and He then turned it over to a nation bringing forth fruits..which happens to be the “Gentile Nation..He does say this Jas..why is it that you do not see this?”

    Because I understand the promises and statements made about Israel and have done the proper research to understand who Israel was in 1st century . I did so even when it excluded me from being the Elect.
    Yours is a doctrine of inclusion based upon your need to exalt yourself and to condemn people who show more love for their fellow human.
    Before you get upset truely look at the heart of those you condemn. Babies,children,retarded people, people who never had the chance to hear about God or Jesus.etc etc etc

  131. on 05 Feb 2015 at 11:40 pmMargarita Pierce

    I am so sorry with excuse me..but I have not condemned anyone at all..those are your words about me and what I believe or think…I am no one to condemm anyone..but it sure seems to me that you are the one taking it upon yourself to just run your mouth about people..Really Jas, you do need to take a good look at all of the things that you do say to people..it is hard for anyone to be able to see Christ in you or thru you, if in person you go around talking and saying the things that you do say.. but anyway..I can see that you do have your mind made up about anyone here, and that you do feel that you are the only one with any knowledge about God’s word….you will find out when you get there, that you might not have known as much as you did think that you did….I don’t claim to know it all..As I said, if we get to the point that we feel that we cannot learn anything in God’s word? we are in trouble..cause I guess it would be that we do think that we are God….so anyway..have a great life…and I will not waste anymore of my precious time..cause it is obvious that you do not see or hear anything that I have said..

  132. on 05 Feb 2015 at 11:43 pmMargarita Pierce

    If everlasting was to be the meaning in John then the author would have used a word that meant that and there would be no contradiction.
    How do you handle Ezekiel where it states people will die at very old ages with 100 years old compared to infancy. Do you know mans body was originally designed to live to 1000 years as Adam was 900 + and by the way…there is no contradiction at all about the word “Everlasting that God used in John 3:16…I just think that you are comparing it or feel that it is the same word as “Eternal” is..and it is not..God didn’t make any mistakes at all..and He did use the right word..which is Everlasting..meaning “no ending..

  133. on 06 Feb 2015 at 8:21 amRay

    It seems to me that living without perishing in an everlasting age is about the same thing as eternal.

  134. on 06 Feb 2015 at 8:23 amRay

    And if an age isn’t eternal, and the man did not perish, he would have to go into another age, it seems to me.

  135. on 06 Feb 2015 at 10:50 amJas

    “and by the way…there is no contradiction at all about the word “Everlasting that God used in John 3:16…”

    God nor the author of John used the word “Everlasting ” ,the Greek word is “aion” which is translated “everlasting” by some translators which contradicts the word “aion”
    As I said I have much I feel is left to learn but in the subject of Israel I am very confident that the extensive research has provided me with a very good understanding of where they were and who they were amongst .
    If what I believe offends you then by ALL means present the research to prove it wrong. If you don’t want then don’t waste your precious time and have a great life.

  136. on 06 Feb 2015 at 3:23 pmJas

    NET ©
    In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that one of these little ones be lost.
    NIV ©
    In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost.
    NASB ©
    “So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

    One more note is the word translated “perish” can also mean “be lost” depended on context or opinion.
    Since Aion means age this word probably only carries the meaning not partaking in the age to come, lost out,left behind

  137. on 07 Feb 2015 at 10:45 amJas

    One more verse that uses “apollumi” ,the word translated perish in John 3:16.
    Why would Jesus only be sent to the perished sheep of Israel?

    NET ©
    Go 1 instead to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    NIV ©
    Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
    NASB ©
    but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

  138. on 08 Feb 2015 at 3:38 amTimoteo

    We at KINGDOM READY, endeavor, and are closer than when we first began:


  139. on 08 Feb 2015 at 5:44 amRay

    I imagine the lost sheep of Israel were the ones who were perishing,
    but God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him would not perish, but have everlasting life.

  140. on 08 Feb 2015 at 4:39 pmTimoteo


    Do you think the lost sheep of Israel are the only ones Jesus was speaking about?

    Jas has taught about the returned from Babylon Hebrews, who settled in the North and spoke an Aramaic dialect.

    Hank Williams sings about one of these, a Samaritan:


    God gave progressive revelation about our Church era, and mostly through the apostle Pauls espitles.

    Galatians 1: (kjv)
    11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

    12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    YAHWEH gave Paul rervelation, by Jesus Christ, about the mystery.

    Ray, do you know what the mystery was?

  141. on 08 Feb 2015 at 5:47 pmRay

    In answer to your above question, I refer you to John 3:16 which speaks of who may be saved, and what the mystery of God is.

  142. on 08 Feb 2015 at 6:02 pmTimoteo


    The Mystery was a mystery when John 3:16 was written!

    GOD revealed the mystery to the Apostle Paul a long time after Pentecost.

    So John 3:16 does not tell what the mystery was and the verse refers to the “lost sheep” which is a limited number of folks of those who are being called, even today. Savy?

    And by the way, the mystery has been revealed, so it is no longer a mystery. Savy?

  143. on 10 Feb 2015 at 10:51 amJas

    Understanding the historical context of the time period of the writing of Jeremiah 31 you will find the Southern (Judah) and Northern (Israel) were divorced from God. Hosea puts it as being called “not his people.
    “But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”
    Jeremiah states sometime in the future Israel shall be his people again but first a New Covenant must be offered and one of the results of accepting this Covenant .
    Some may claim all Israel returned after 70 years but how can this be the case unless the New Covenant came at that time. Only a remnant returned. Understanding the role of Judah the tribe was given the ruling authority of the 12 tribes till Israel was divided into 2 separate nations Southern (Judah) and Northern (Israel) Kingdoms. Israel was exiled from their Land in 721bc never to return being called not God’s people and Judah was exiled in 586bc but some returned. Of these remnant was trusted the Word of God. By the time of Jesus ministry these Jews had perverted the Word of God through additions of laws as a hedge around the LAW. Jesus’ main conflict with these Jews were showing they were not valid and only God’s Law was required. Therefore being trusted with the Word of God was taking from these Jews and given to the Lost Sheep of Israel as they return back to their God by the means of The New Priesthood Covenant having the unperverted Word of God(God’s Laws) written in their heart. This doesn’t mean this promise is only to the returning exiles just means they were the purpose and it came through promise to them.

  144. on 10 Feb 2015 at 10:08 pmRay

    I believe John 3:16 speaks of the mystery. We just need to do the math.

  145. on 11 Feb 2015 at 6:48 amTimoteo


    We will “do the math”, after you reveal how, in your humble opinion, “John 3:16 speaks of the mystery”.

    Just be careful, because *The Mystery* was still *A Mystery* when
    *John 3:16* was written by Johns revelation.

    We are anxious to read your post?

  146. on 11 Feb 2015 at 12:35 pmJas

    Genesis 48:19
    Darby Bible Translation
    But his father refused and said, I know, my son, I know: he also will become a people, and he also will be great; but truly his younger brother will be greater than he; and his seed will become the fulness of nations(GENTILES).
    The only mystery left to solve is why the Counterfeit Christianity wants the world to be ignorant of the OT prophecies concerning Joseph and the Northern Kingdom known as Israel. The fact is Paul uses the one above in Romans 11 and also several more.
    25For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening(blindness) in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in; 26and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written,
    There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer;
    He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
    27And this is my covenant unto them,
    When I shall take away their sins.

  147. on 11 Feb 2015 at 6:59 pmTimoteo


    You write: “The only mystery left to solve…………”

    GODs word and and His story are not a “WHO DONE IT” novel or TV krimi.

    I am writing to Ray and expecting a response from him, before “doing the math”.

    *THE MYSTERY* has been revealed and is GODs mystery and not one for smartie pants, these who make all the predictions, UZW.

    There is currently a new mystery, spoken about at Jesus’ departure. Jesus said that the date of his return, a mystery, is only known by GOD. During the past 2000 years there have been wars and currently there are rumors of wars, but the end has not come.

    I really spend much time pondering your thesis about the Northern kingdom, UZW.

    So, come on Ray, make some comments that expound on your
    John 3:16 debate.

  148. on 12 Feb 2015 at 10:11 pmTimoteo

    Ephesians 3: (kjv)

    1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

    2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

    3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

    4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

    5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

    6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel

    Romans 16: m (kjv)

    25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

    26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

    Colossians 1: (kjv)

    25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

    26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

    27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

    Ephesians 1: (kjv)

    20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

    21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

    22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

    23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

    1 Corinthians 2: (kjv)

    6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    1 Peter 1: (kjv)

    9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

    10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

    11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

    12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

  149. on 13 Feb 2015 at 4:15 amRay

    I wonder if Eph 1 contains the longest sentence in the Bible. I believe Paul may have been referring to this (at least in part) when he says he wrote in few words concerning the mystery. I believe the mystery has always been, and things concerning it have been revealed in a few words throughout the Bible. Yet we may see the greatest revealing of it in the words of the apostle Paul.

    I trust that Christ is that mystery.

  150. on 13 Feb 2015 at 10:55 amTimoteo


    Great response, “I trust that Christ is that mystery”, however consider it is no longer a mystery. Only the date for Christs return remains a mystery.

    Galatians 1: (kjv)

    11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

    12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    Everything Apostle Paul has written was given by revelation from the
    spirit of truth, the comforter, GOD in Christ, Christ in the Christian by holy spirit baptism.

    The Hebrew peoples thought this was exclusively for them only. Part of the mystery is:

    “6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel”

    1 Timothy 2: (kjv)

    4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    Our topic is: *Many are called but few are chosen* and Rev Sean’s purpose for this blog is, to teach, to be, KINGDOM READY.

    To be one of the chosen.

    Ray, who was the first non Hebrew to believe and manifest holyspirit?

  151. on 13 Feb 2015 at 12:28 pmJas

    The Parable of the Two Sons
    21:28 “What 42 do you think? A man had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work in the vineyard today.’ 21:29 The boy answered, 43 ‘I will not.’ But later he had a change of heart 44 and went. 21:30 The father 45 went to the other son and said the same thing. This boy answered, 46 ‘I will, sir,’ but did not go. 21:31 Which of the two did his father’s will?” They said, “The first.” 47 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, 48 tax collectors 49 and prostitutes will go ahead of you into the kingdom of God! 21:32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him. But the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe. Although 50 you saw this, you did not later change your minds 51 and believe him.

    By chance do you know who the 2 sons represent ?

  152. on 13 Feb 2015 at 1:09 pmTimoteo


    What are the numbers 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50 and 51?

    This parable is one of three about the religious leaders.

    A)–two sons
    B)–the tenants
    C)–the wedding feast

    In the Parable of the Two Sons, the leaders of Israel are the second son who claimed obedience, but did not do the will of the father.

    Perhaps, today, they would be the leaders you have stereotyped the romish/counterfeit Christianity.

    The first son would be those who followed Johns teaching about repentance/change.

  153. on 13 Feb 2015 at 1:45 pmJas

    This verse has nothing to do with today .
    When did the leaders of Israel say they will and when did other son say he won’t ?
    Was the exiles ever offered to return which they stated they won’t and did a remnant of Judah ever state they will?

  154. on 13 Feb 2015 at 1:59 pmTimoteo


    I do not know….please explain.


  155. on 13 Feb 2015 at 7:38 pmJas

    Ezekiel 3, Ezekiel is sent to the exiles of Northern Kingdom even though God knew they would not agree and later after the Southern Kingdom was exiled God made the same offer to Judah and a remnant agreed to return yet in no way did they keep the terms. The remnant is the son that said he will and the lost sheep is the son that wouldn’t but later was accepting the terms, filling the church. They are the ones that were cut off from the commonwealth of Israel who were forgiven their trespass ,their transgression and sins. Ephesians was written to a specific people who were formerly CALLED Gentiles( not God’s people) not to All Gentiles. The Gentiles were never given the Law therefore could not have sinned against God.

  156. on 13 Feb 2015 at 9:00 pmTimoteo


    You always have an interesting proposition to present.

    Ephesians is written to: “the faithful in Christ”

    Ephesians 1: (kjv)
    1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

    Christ in=standing
    in Christ=state=faithful=in fellowship with GOD=a Bond Slave

    GOD considers three groups:


    Non Hebrew(gentiles/barbarians)

    Hebrew/non Hebrew that do Romans 10:9 & 10=church/christians

    1 Corinthians 10: (kjv)
    32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

    Have a nice cozy/warm weekend.

  157. on 13 Feb 2015 at 9:17 pmRay


    In answer to your question in post 149, It seems to me that Jesus was the first non Hebrew to believe and manifest holy spirit. (see Gen 1, John 1:1-10, Heb 1)

  158. on 13 Feb 2015 at 9:41 pmJas

    Ephesians is written to: “the faithful in Christ”

    Ephesians was wrote to people who at one time were cut off from the commonwealth of Israel and without the Law there can be no sin because the Law reveals what sin is. Who they had become is totally irrelevant to why they were called to return to THEIR GOD
    Hebrew covers a lot of nations but only 2 have ever received the promises which are Israel and Judah. Jew can be a resident of Judea even if they are Gentile as was in Judea in 1st century. Even the Jewish Encyclopedia will tell you Judea was populated by edomite jews but that is not the people the kingdom was being taken from ,It was those who allowed the perversion of Judaism.

  159. on 14 Feb 2015 at 7:53 amRay

    Sin has always been in the world since the fall of man. The law came from God to teach men what is right and it also revealed the extent of sin.

    Rom 4:15
    Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

    Rom 2:14
    For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    Rom 2:16
    In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

    Every man until Christ violated some kind of law which was of God, either his written law of commandments, or that which was written in their hearts, (see Rom 2:15) and every man after Christ has done the same.

    Rom 2:6
    Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

    There is no escaping judgment day. Every man has had and still does have a cross to bear. By the grace of God we may escape the horrible penalty that sin requires, by faith in Christ, by his blood which was shed for us.

  160. on 14 Feb 2015 at 7:57 amTimoteo

    Jas and Ray,

    Seems like I am a *HH*, your Huckleberry Heretick.

    A person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted by your 1/38,000 denomination.

    So, before you fire me, I quit.

    Titus 3: (kjv)
    10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;…UZW

  161. on 14 Feb 2015 at 12:18 pmJas

    Romans was written to a specific group in Rome, probably established by Peter before Paul was converted. The book of Mark was a recorded sermon of Peter’s. This group was a mixture of diaspora judahites who did not return after Babylonian captivity. Jesus himself came from one of these groups who lived in other nations. Most of these groups retained the Israelite faith but just did not recognized Judea as being legit. Much like many groups of Jews today.
    Romans is one of the greatest books because it brings to mind the promises made to Israel to explain to these of the diaspora judahites just who these Gentiles are that are flocking to the church. It was very important for the exiles to come to God on their own through the calling of God. These Israelites were blinded of their heritage after 700 years of being scattered among the Gentiles. These lost sheep had to come to their masters voice on their own accord and had to accept the Word of God and the New Priesthood Covenant promised by God to ISRAEL,the House of Ephraim (Israel) and House of Judah had to again become a United Kingdom with One King.
    It is beyond my imagination why people do not believe the Promises God made Israel!!!

  162. on 15 Feb 2015 at 11:16 pmRay

    I believe that “Many are called but few are chosen” is something that is not only about one group and another group, but is something that should be taken to heart by all individuals, on an individual basis.

  163. on 16 Feb 2015 at 12:33 pmJas

    The Parable of the Wedding Banquet was directed at the Jews in Judea. Its is nothing more than a history lesson .Prior to the Temple and Jerusalem being destroyed God sent out his servants the Prophets calling the repent but they ignored them and killed many. For this God destroyed their city. Then set out for the sake of the promises to Judah,David and Aaron reinstated a remnant to keep these promises till the One promised had come but with them came many not of God’s people. These are the ones without wedding clothes. These were those of Esau who had been sowed into the people of Judah in Judea. Most of the leaders were all or part edomites who the centuries had superseded God’s Law with their own version. Jesus constantly addressees these additions and interpretations.
    It is amazing that the translators translate “Many are called but few are chosen” when in the whole parable only one is rejected. why was those who not wearing the wedding clothes thrown out? Because many of the chosen people were invited but few came but the unchosen snuck in but will be removed
    Jesus is addressing the current State of Judea in his day.
    As far as Matthew 21:43 is concerned one only needs to understand the prophecy of Jacob to Judah to understand why God had no choice in letting a remnant of Judah return and why the promises in the prophecy about Judah was untill Shiloh comes. If you understand then you would see Jesus is only fulfilling a promise about one bloodline of Israel and does not effect the prophecies and promises to the others or the promises to the House of Joseph aka Ephraim, Northern kingdom or Israel in contrast to Judah

  164. on 17 Feb 2015 at 7:04 amRay

    Q. Who said this?

    To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak; I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

    a. Paul the apostle
    b. Jesus

    The correct answer is Paul, but I can certainly think of Jesus when I read that from I Cor 9.

    And this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you. (I Cor 9:23)

    Then Paul talks about how there is a race to be run.

  165. on 18 Feb 2015 at 11:21 amJas

    Considering my beliefs are a work in progress in which probably has not shed ALL the deception of the counterfeit church it is impossible for me to consider anyone a heretic . Anything less than 100% truth still leaves someone deceived . 1% or 99% is still deception but truth can not be mixed with deception. I have no condemnation for anyone cause in fact that would be condemning myself.
    I write and have discussion here to make sure I have the best understanding of the Word of God.

  166. on 23 Feb 2015 at 3:03 pmTimoteo


    Acts 26: (kjv)
    28 ____ ______ ____ ____ ____, Almost thou persuadest me __ __ _ _________.

  167. on 23 Feb 2015 at 4:26 pmJas

    Not sure why you posted a word game. Should I fill in the blanks,read it ,search the historical and cultural context? Should I guess what point you are making? Can thou persuadest me otherwise?
    Are you just seeing if I respond?

  168. on 23 Feb 2015 at 8:07 pmTimoteo


    I am just joking with you and do not wish to offend.

    I have always liked the response King Agrippa made to Paul, after all the effort to persuade him to believe.

    And liken that to our efforts here to persuade about these various subjects, to speak the same thing and not to offend.

    1 Corinthians 1: (kjv)
    10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

    You are AOK.

  169. on 24 Feb 2015 at 11:29 amJas

    Not offended
    Just some friendly tit for tat.

  170. on 08 Mar 2015 at 7:39 amTimoteo


    To pass time and inquire, I came up with the following, while using the two lexical online aids:




    Genesis 3:
    24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way[Derek] of the tree of life.

    the way=Derek
    way, road, distance, journey, manner
    road, way, path
    manner, habit, way
    of course of life
    of moral character

    Genesis 32:
    10 I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth[emeth], which thou hast shewed unto thy servant; for with my staff I passed over this Jordan; and now I am become two bands.

    the truth=emeth

    firmness, faithfulness, truth
    sureness, reliability
    stability, continuance
    faithfulness, reliableness
    as spoken
    of testimony and judgment
    of divine instruction
    truth as a body of ethical or religious knowledge
    true doctrine adv
    in truth, truly

    Genesis 3:
    24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life[Chay].

    tree of life=Chay

    living, alive
    green (of vegetation)
    flowing, fresh (of water)
    lively, active (of man)
    reviving (of the springtime) n m
    life (abstract emphatic)
    sustenance, maintenance
    living thing, animal
    revival, renewal

    John 14:
    6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way[Hodos], the truth[Aletheia], and the life[Zoe]: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    the way=Hodos

    a way
    a travelled way, road
    a travellers way, journey, travelling
    a course of conduct
    a way (i.e. manner) of thinking, feeling, deciding

    the truth=Aletheia
    what is true in any matter under consideration
    truly, in truth, according to truth
    of a truth, in reality, in fact, certainly
    what is true in things appertaining to God and the duties of man, moral and religious truth
    in the greatest latitude
    the true notions of God which are open to human reason without his supernatural intervention
    the truth as taught in the Christian religion, respecting God and the execution of his purposes through Christ, and respecting the duties of man, opposing alike to the superstitions of the Gentiles and the inventions of the Jews, and the corrupt opinions and precepts of false teachers even among Christians
    truth as a personal excellence
    that candour of mind which is free from affection, pretence, simulation, falsehood, deceit

    the life=Zoe
    the state of one who is possessed of vitality or is animate
    every living soul
    of the absolute fulness of life, both essential and ethical, which belongs to God, and through him both to the hypostatic “logos” and to Christ in whom the “logos” put on human nature
    life real and genuine, a life active and vigorous, devoted to God, blessed, in the portion even in this world of those who put their trust in Christ, but after the resurrection to be consummated by new accessions (among them a more perfect body), and to last for ever.

    Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life[Zoe], which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

    Revelation 22:
    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life[Zoe], and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Revelation 22:
    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life[Zoe], and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

  171. on 09 Mar 2015 at 5:25 pmJas

    “no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

    Using this as the context who is the truth and the life and who is the way to it.


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